Time Signatures Question
Kris wrote:
Tthis isn't so much a question about programming the sound inside the editor... more about controlling it from a sequencer. OK, I love 6/8 and 3/4; I love 4/4, but when you have a 6/8 bassline or lead and you move the notes over towards another quantization on a 4/4 pattern it seriously messes my head up in when its between both. so its neither 6/8 or 4/4 but both. Its hard to explain (I know 6/8 IS 4/4 with triplets but if you move the position of the triplets to the closest 16th over time instead of the "at once quantizing".) However as much as iIlove this I dont know how to over the course of say 4 or 8 measure change 6/8 slowly into 4/4 other than shifting the notes over 16ths. Does anyone have any ideas? I may just have to do this manually
Friday's Child wrote:
This stuff frustrates me as well. I have found that the only way to handle this is ... a combination of manually and trial and error. The way I have found that helps is to forget about 'beats' and think about 'pulse'. How many of what do you want happening of which one when while how many of the other happen over that same period.
Unfortunately, I do not have my Nord handy, so the attached patch is untested. But, it should give you an idea for how to solve your problem. In a nutshell, for setting triplet beats up against non-trip ones, use both the 24 pulses per beat option and the 4 pulses per beat one, and then use a combination of clock dividers and different cycle lengths (in this particular case 16 against 32) to set things up.
Martin Hoppe wrote:
Can't this be done by the ClockDividerFixed module too? I think my solution is the same but cheaper?
Friday's Child wrote:
You are perfectly correct, Martin. Your solution is smaller, quicker, neater, and altogether more elegant.
Thing is, though, that if you read Kris' original post he was actually asking about how to control the Nord from an external sequencer. Neither your patch nor mine specifically addresses this issue because, of course, he is going to have to use a MIDI Global In. Unfortunately, that particular module has only a clock, an active and a sync output and no convenient 4, 24, or T8 buttons. Therefore, once he tries to use an external sequencer he is going to be stuck.
I just thought that no-one would have asked this question if they already had a good idea of what they should do. Therefore, I was more concerned with putting together something that might help give someone who was unsure an idea of how to think their way through it. Therefore I went for the 16-32 setup and I did not use the fixed clock divider. I just thought that it would be more versatile and easier to experiment if I excluded it. I had my teachers' hat on', although I accept that maybe I put it on a bit too hard!! It is just that I remember how confusing to me the patches that come in used to be ... and sometimes still are. I never had any idea what was happening in them. Believe it or not, when I bought the Nord Modular it was also the first time I really started trying to programme synths!!! So I tried to put enough information into my patch so that hopefully it would be easy for Kris to adapt to the external sync situation -- which I thought a little harder to do with the fixed divider. I thought it might be more obvious to him what was going on if he actually SAW the triplet divisions happening in front of him on the screen, rather than being hidden away inside a module although the T8 button is certainly very convenient.
So ... for the specific problem he gave, yours really is far and away the much better solution. But ... as I have said I was trying to get across a general principle. I totally agree that as a patch, mine is a waste of space and resources (as many of my patches are, actually!).
As for whether or not what either you or I have said has actually helped Kris, I do not know because he hasn't been back. But I did try to give him the kind of information that I thought would be easily adapted to the Global MIDI in situation.
James Musser wrote:
What about 23/8 and 61/16?
Won't you have to have a different number of notes when you reach the destination? or no? You could just speed up one while the other stays fixed, (oh wouldn't that be a nice feature in a sequencer), but then you would still be up against the number of actual notes as well. The change would be 1:1.5 ratio, right? Seems pretty easy to me to conceive, but getting it programmed is of course a different matter. Maybe you could work it out in a sequencer as a tempo thing, then translate it back. It's too bad all tracks have to play at the same tempo. I think you can sequence, and change the values of the notes by a certain amount in CPA, but then you can't do it over time... you can only do it all at once.
And then there's 83/32 to think about...