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New G2 Killer(not really)
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cappy2112



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
Yep, VMS is a nice freeware program, created in addition to the Nord Modular Rack, I believe...
Wout


Does your statement have anything to do with the fact the author and you share the same name? Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey T7 - have you heard about the new Virus Ti oscillators? might want to hold off on that Waldorf...

emo? tortured artist? wtf? Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Unfed wrote:
hey T7 - have you heard about the new Virus Ti oscillators? might want to hold off on that Waldorf...


I came to my senses. I'm keeping the G2 and looking into a used Microwave XT. Chalk it up to GAS.

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emo? tortured artist? wtf? Smile


I was just messin' with you. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't want to talk about "killers" or whatever but have a look at this;

http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/origin/intro.html

That looks quite close to how I would've liked a G2 desktop to look. It has a sequencer onboard and it has a joystick. Sadly it only has USB instead of ethernet for easy OSC and Arturia's interfaces suffer from "primadona photo model syndrome" (nice to look at for a minute but don't try to deal with it). Also has SPDIF out so there is no need to be stuck with third-grade DAC choices. VST or AU intergration (but no LADSPA) and ten outputs.

It could be quite good. I fear it's going to suck though; making your own patches is at item point 6 which is after 2 items that refer to loading presets and Aurturia is about as good at creating interfaces as a focil of a stillborn aquatic turtle stuck in a tar-pit.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

plus, the rumored price for the new arturia is supposed to be $2500.

you could get a nice doepfer basic system for that.

or a synth.com starter, and have enough left over for rent.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

astroid power-up! wrote:
plus, the rumored price for the new arturia is supposed to be $2500.

you could get a nice doepfer basic system for that.

or a synth.com starter, and have enough left over for rent.


So? That's as much as the G2X and this one has a sensible model. As a hardware synth, looking purely at teh model this makes a *lot* more sense to me.

With the price of instruments I think you need to relate it to the total cost; making a instrument your own takes years of dedicated day in day out practice. Compared to that, even at minimum wage, I think the finatial investment is a very minor element.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

good point
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I hope it sucks so I don't have to drool over it and forget my poor G2.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
Arturia's interfaces suffer from "primadona photo model syndrome" (nice to look at for a minute but don't try to deal with it).


Is this really an issue with Arturia's products, or just the concept of a user interacting with soft-synths, or any product which requires close, prolonged interaction with a computer screen?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cappy2112 wrote:

Is this really an issue with Arturia's products, or just the concept of a user interacting with soft-synths, or any product which requires close, prolonged interaction with a computer screen?


To some degree, yeah.... But I still wonder about how on earth they decided it was best to use two schreens with those weird busses inbetween for the Moog-modular. I only played with that one for twenty minutes but that one stuck with me as awfull interface design. Looks good but it's unworkable.

The NM and G2 also work with a schreen and they can also have issues when patching across more then a schreen's distance but at least that's a good functional interface. I have no problem with that for what it is. It's not perfect for realtime jaming but for patching it's realy good. It uses the good sides of hardware modulars and does away with some of the limitations, Tassman does the same in a different way, same for MAX. Arturia gets you stuck with many of the limitation of a real modular and on top of that you also have the limitations of a mouse and you get very little back except a pritty picture.

At least that's how I look at it.

It's indeed like that for loads and loads of software but some manifacturers try to rise above that. I think exagerated realism in interface is silly because that old hardware often isn't all that easy to deal with. The ultimate in realism would be making sure that instaling a big softsynth would make your laptop weigh what a arp2500 weighs, I supose. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

plastocid wrote:
I hope it sucks so I don't have to drool over it and forget my poor G2.


If it's any consolation I think it's clear that they drooled ove rthe G2 Smile

I wouldn't be surprised if they'd been looking at this board as well since this -at least on the outside- is quite close to some items high on the wishlist of some people....

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

astroid power-up! wrote:
good point


Phrased way too agressively (again) now that I read it back. Doing too much at the same time again, sorry.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks for the Arturia link, Kassen. I wonder what kind of low level modules they will provide (besides LFO's etc)? I recon the high level ones are modules from their existing product. How will they patch all of them together into one synth???

All info to come in March I suppose.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
cappy2112 wrote:

Is this really an issue with Arturia's products, or just the concept of a user interacting with soft-synths, or any product which requires close, prolonged interaction with a computer screen?



Take a look at WayOut Ware's Timewarp 2600.
it's a killler Arp 2600 soft-synth, IMHO I think it's better than Arturia's- sound wise. But it too suffers from "editing a synth on a tiny screen" syndrome.


I wish someone would borrow some Borg technology, so we could interact (reliably) with computers (and synthesizers) by thought, and physical movements Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Damn, the Arturia site is down for me Smile

Ah.. info here although no editor screenshot..

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2007/01/arturia-origin-synthesizer.html

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmm. I think this will be a lot more appealing to the *potential* virtual modular market, that Clavia obviously believe is there but have never managed to capture.

Sure we all like the utilitarian side of things, but lets face it, a lot of people like the pointless graphics.

Hopefully it'll make Clavia sit up and take notice. Competition is good.. let's just hope Clavia don't remain stubborn.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That does look exceptionally cool. But I've heard bad things about Arturia releasing unfinished products and failing to fix bugs. There's a post around here of hundreds of little bugs in the Modular soft synth that were never addressed. But the thing does sound very nice.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Afro88 wrote:
But I've heard bad things about Arturia releasing unfinished products


I think a lot of companies do this, much more than people realize.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dasz wrote:
thanks for the Arturia link, Kassen. I wonder what kind of low level modules they will provide (besides LFO's etc)? I recon the high level ones are modules from their existing product. How will they patch all of them together into one synth???

All info to come in March I suppose.
/Dasz



Here is some more info for you:

http://test.arturia.com/assets/flash/movies/origin.swf

Basiclly, it looks like you get access to Moog Modular, ARP 2600, CS-80, minimoog and Prophet VS as complete instruments, or you can take the Prophet's VS OSC and route through the ARP Filter and use the CS-80's Envelopes Type of thing. So basiclly, what ever low leve modules you can find on any of those synths.. with the Moog Modular having more G2 type of modules then the others...

I don't have the Moog Modular, so don't know what modules come with it...

but the shockwave movie at the link above, let's you pause (if you right click) when the show the list of modules, so you might get a bit of an idea...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's some close up pictures:
http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ugh those hard labelled env/filter sections. looks not great.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

astroid power-up! wrote:
ugh those hard labelled env/filter sections. looks not great.


Yeah, but the G2 hardware has similar names for sections of parameters....

I think this thing is meant to be a sort of high-end groovebox aimed at a somewhat freeform way of dealing with traditional melodic things.

I imagine it'll work nicely for that and I can't realy think of any real alternatives.

I like this pic best;
http://www.fdiskc.com/syn/namm/2007/MetasonixWretchrosonix.html

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
astroid power-up! wrote:
ugh those hard labelled env/filter sections. looks not great.


Yeah, but the G2 hardware has similar names for sections of parameters....


At least the G2 lets you ignore those names and do whatever you like with the groups. Even the software calls the groups ABCDE.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, that's true.

The more I think about it the more I'm inclined to look at this as a higher-end groovebox. If you look at it that way it's quite apealing if expensive.


As a "G2 killer" it falls a bit short.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

From my point of view, the G2 killer will be the G2 itself. If Clavia does not do something to make the G2 interesting again it will be lost.

Is not that there will be a better machine, is that the G2 will not be noticed anymore.

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