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bachus

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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:27 pm Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | So you have both a the Tascam hooked up via FW and the Roland M-1000. Somehow you have to use one as a master clock. How do you have them hooked up? |
I have the M-1000 set to internal (button on the front panel)
For the Tascam, on its settings page,* under Clocking , Clock Source, I select "Digital in SPDIF" Then my Gina 24 attached to the VSL machine get its clock from the optical ADAT to and from the Tascam. Thus every thing takes its master clock from the M-1000. And I don't ever have to repatch to do anything. But I got a "relatively" simple studio.
* (which you call up by pressing a dedicated button the Tascam (rings my bell)) . _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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mosc
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:01 pm Post subject:
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Doesn't sound good. The Tascam is a slave of the M-1000 and the Gina 24 is a slave to the Tascam? Is that right?
One device should be the master and everything else connected directly to that device, if possible.
Do you have all these devices feeding into one of them, or do all three connect to the computer? |
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:07 pm Post subject:
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I'd think the TASCAM would be your choice for a common point.
What do you need with the Gina if you have that Tascam? |
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:22 pm Post subject:
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Howard is probably right. As a common rule.. bouncing the clock from device to device is not good. One device must be the master clock. There is probably some info about this in the manual. The tascam is probably a great master clock. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:56 am Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | Some people will argue about the 44.1 KHz rate? |
what about a League for the Preservation of 44.1KHz-16 bit  _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:28 am Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | Doesn't sound good. The Tascam is a slave of the M-1000 and the Gina 24 is a slave to the Tascam? Is that right? |
Yea
mosc wrote: | One device should be the master and everything else connected directly to that device, if possible. |
Yup, as I said I need only a single coax to do that (Tascam WC to M-1000 WC). But under different circomstances that may arise here soon I might need to feed sevral clock sinks from a single coax source. In that case do you use a splitter on the source or what?
mosc wrote: | Do you have all these devices feeding into one of them, or do all three connect to the computer? |
The Gina and the M-1000 are connected to the Tascam and the Tascam is connected to the computer. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham Last edited by bachus on Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:39 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:34 am Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | I'd think the TASCAM would be your choice for a common point.
What do you need with the Gina if you have that Tascam? |
Because I have the VSL on it's own machine. That's the one the Gina is connected to. I got a bunch of soft synths spread over serveral machines. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:16 am Post subject:
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Right.. ok.. I know what you are up to.. I am kinda setting up a similar rig here. I have set up the FW410 to be the masterclock.. and I am picking up the sync from the SPDIF in on the second G4 ( the virtual instrument box ). This works fine. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:09 am Post subject:
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OK... all is well here. It sounds excellent and says it is 1.39 long.. plays fine in iTunes.
Now you try grabbing a file at random from the Online Music section and play it with some mp3 player you haven´t used for a while. To see if opening a seldom used app suddenly kicks your system back into chipmunk mode..
...but I am pretty certain that you have solved the problem now _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:46 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | OK... all is well here. ...
Now you try grabbing a file at random from the Online Music section and ... |
Thanks, Every thing seems AOK. But being that it is an intermittant I'll wait a while before I start celebrating  _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:11 pm Post subject:
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Wow, I like this "fluffy" piece.
Seriously, this is really beautiful, like Erik Satie music. Like everything you've posted, it is too short, but if you had a bunch of different ones in a collection, or suite, then there is no problem with the length.
I can't tell you how good it feels to hear your music, Robert.  |
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:21 pm Post subject:
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There you go! This is brilliant!  _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject:
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OK.. right.. Robert... "I told you so"..
This is great stuff! _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:43 pm Post subject:
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bachus wrote: | Have attached a piece that should run 1:39 and sound neither like a dirge nor chipmunks on meth--though rather cheesy. Could somebody verify this? |
no chipmunks here. I hear your electronic seagulls, though  _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:18 pm Post subject:
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mosc wrote: | Wow, I like this "fluffy" piece.
I can't tell you how good it feels to hear your music, Robert.  |
What can I say: Ooooo! Hearing that from you that gave me goosebumps.
About length; it is an interesting issue that I have given a lot of thought to. The piece of this thread* is about 9 minutes long. So I am working on something longer. But it is a lot more difficult for me to do a 9 minute piece than do 9 one minute pieces.
Still these lighter little pieces I have been doing have been given substantial thought as to the relation of length to structure. And they present an interesting set of problems the solutions to which do not feel as formidable as those associated with large works. All this makes doing them a little more fun than a large piece. And I hope that what I am creating is kinda like a pops-single you want to hear repeatedly, but one that has at least a little aesthetic meat on its bones. It makes me feel very good to hear that I may have achieved that goal.
And finally, the mrs. (who says: “Hello, Howard”), advises me to put something at least a little upbeat on this “album” I have in the works. So I have decided, on basis of positive feedback here and from her to do a set of little pieces including this one and another sent to you and electro80. And to include this set on the album. And I should thank electro80 for helping me see how these little works might best be used ( hey thanks electro80 for that insight!).
One other important point! At present these are literal transforms of sibelius score data into midi file format. Then played in an entirely mechanical manner. I have yet to give the scores a musical interpretation.
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This is wonderful. Which device plays the piano here?
We haven´t yet gotten hold of the new Petrof yet, so for now I have been using Steinberg The Grand. What about me running the midi file into Cubase and The Grand.. and we find out what happens next? I will not have time to do that until friday or saturday or so.. but... ??  _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:44 pm Post subject:
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Performance... should this sound like Brendel, Mozart or Prokofiev? ...or all of them? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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This could be taken into Satie land, but I am not quite sure if that is called for really. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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I wonder if the tempo could not be reduced a tad. Not much.. just a little bit. I hear some sounds within sounds here and they would really stand out on a grand at a sightly lower tempo. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:39 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | This is wonderful. Which device plays the piano here? |
It's the Yamaha s90 3Layers700
elektro80 wrote: | We haven´t yet gotten hold of the new Petrof yet, so for now I have been using Steinberg The Grand. What about me running the midi file into Cubase and The Grand.. and we find out what happens next? ...  |
Sure if you want. I get the midi file out to you tomorrow AM.
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wonder if the tempo could not be reduced a tad.
This could be taken into Satie land, but I am not quite sure if that is called for really
Performance... should this sound like Brendel, Mozart or Prokofiev? ...or all of them?
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Personally I believe that a performance should reflect the way the piece resonates with the performer's nervous system. So my only advice is to interpret it the way that best suits your personal musicality and is most meaningful to you. Besides I learn more about the piece hearing how someone else would do it than how I would do it.
In anycase I am again flattered to the point of embarrassment. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:45 pm Post subject:
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Wow.. yes.. i would love to take a shot at this. BTW: music is about abstraction. It is weird hearing piano music played frmo midi files in absolute tempo. I get ideas. I get ideas. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:53 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | BTW: music is about abstraction. |
No really  _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject:
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Yamaha s90 3Layers700
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is this one related to the P90 that Seraph is showcasing right now in his latest piece in Online Music? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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