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numbertalk

Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 992 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:12 am Post subject:
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AndyR1960 wrote: |
I now tend to take the ground directly from the 0V pad on the PSU connector on all my modules, so far no problems. |
Ah, ok. So you just chain it from part to part and then have a single source at the end of this chain going to the 0V PSU pad.
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numbertalk

Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 992 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:14 am Post subject:
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Also saw your posting on the 4035. Any advice/resources for etching your own double-sided board? Always has seemed undoable to me. |
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blue hell
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:16 am Post subject:
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AndyR1960 wrote: | I'm also glad that I'm not the original designer of this circuit : ) |
What did I say undo undo
Glad this thread is flowing again. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Broadwave

Joined: Feb 16, 2007 Posts: 347 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject:
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numbertalk wrote: | Also saw your posting on the 4035. Any advice/resources for etching your own double-sided board? Always has seemed undoable to me. |
I suppose it depends on how you make your PCB's... I do mine with Photo resist boards and a UV light box, all 5 DS boards I've made so far have been perfect
This may help though:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Two-sided-PCB-using-toner-method/
Andy. _________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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numbertalk

Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 992 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:13 am Post subject:
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AndyR1960 wrote: | This may help though |
Interesting. Seems like it could almost be doable. Might give this a shot at some point. Thanks! |
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LetterBeacon
Joined: Mar 18, 2008 Posts: 454 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject:
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AndyR1960 wrote: | synthmonger wrote: | so how did ya make a separate ground? |
I didn't have to...
The ground trace went from the power connector to osc 1 then on to osc 2 and back to the power connector.
I just cut the ground track between the seperate Osc circuits, so each oscillator had it's own ground with a common point at the power connector, And following Urban's advice, I also added a decoupling cap across the 4011 to be on the safe side. |
Hi Andy,
Does the pdf file of the foils have the trace cut and space for the decoupling cap across the 4011? I can't seem to make them out...
Is there a BOM for this project at all?
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Peake

Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 1113 Location: Loss Angeles
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject:
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Here's a cheap batch of some 2N5910 (caveat emptor, even though I know the seller and am a happy repeat customer with them. If they say it's good, it's in all likelihood, good.).
http://tinyurl.com/5osz3f
Don't forget to share with the rest of us. _________________ We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid. -mwagener
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Broadwave

Joined: Feb 16, 2007 Posts: 347 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject:
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LetterBeacon wrote: |
Does the pdf file of the foils have the trace cut and space for the decoupling cap across the 4011? I can't seem to make them out...
Is there a BOM for this project at all?
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Hi LB,
The PDF has all the corrections - The decoupling cap for the 4011 is directly above the chip.
Sorry no BOM, it's just a case of going through the layout for your values, shouldn't take more than a few minutes - But I will include BOM's in future modules.
Andy. _________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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Broadwave

Joined: Feb 16, 2007 Posts: 347 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:
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Peake wrote: | Here's a cheap batch of some 2N5910 (caveat emptor, even though I know the seller and am a happy repeat customer with them. If they say it's good, it's in all likelihood, good.) |
I concur with Peake, this is the guy who I got mine from last year - They're perfect
Andy. _________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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Peake

Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 1113 Location: Loss Angeles
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject:
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Ah, good to know- I like those folks a lot. Cheers! _________________ We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid. -mwagener
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Peake

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject:
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AndyR1960 wrote: | Peake wrote: | Here's a cheap batch of some 2N5910 (caveat emptor, even though I know the seller and am a happy repeat customer with them. If they say it's good, it's in all likelihood, good.) |
I concur with Peake, this is the guy who I got mine from last year - They're perfect
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So you know, it's still and always caveat emptor- I don't take responsibility for this one, if anything turns out incorrect/not as expected. _________________ We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid. -mwagener
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ericcoleridge

Joined: Jan 16, 2007 Posts: 889 Location: NYC
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:42 am Post subject:
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Someone bought these 5910s.
If it's someone here, I'd like to have some -- I just didn't really want 40.
I'd be happy to buy 4 though. |
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LetterBeacon
Joined: Mar 18, 2008 Posts: 454 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:20 am Post subject:
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Heh, *raises hand*
PM me and I'll send some out to you (when they arrive, obviously). |
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LetterBeacon
Joined: Mar 18, 2008 Posts: 454 Location: London, UK
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Broadwave

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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject:
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LetterBeacon wrote: | what are the rest of the caps made from? |
I just used the standard "Yellow Box" polyester caps - they're fine. I think the original caps were resin dipped poly and quite big, size wise. _________________ Kronos 2-88, Kronos 61, Studiologic Sledge V2/SL, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave 18U ARP based Eurorack Modular, Broadwave Minimoog Clone, GEM S2 Turbo.
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e-grad
Joined: Sep 12, 2008 Posts: 142 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:48 am Post subject:
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Now this VCO is on my mind. Some of the resistors are not very standard - at least not in my project box. However, if I take e.g. the 221K and calculate a 1% deviation I get: 218K79 and 223K21 thus I think any resistor within that range will do? Or do I miss something?
Even better for substitution: such old design as the ARP VCO based on older parts which are having usually a greater deviation than modern day 1% resistors. Or am I'm misguided here? |
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bubblechamber

Joined: Nov 04, 2006 Posts: 280 Location: NYC
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject:
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e-grad wrote: | Now this VCO is on my mind. Some of the resistors are not very standard - at least not in my project box. However, if I take e.g. the 221K and calculate a 1% deviation I get: 218K79 and 223K21 thus I think any resistor within that range will do? Or do I miss something?
Even better for substitution: such old design as the ARP VCO based on older parts which are having usually a greater deviation than modern day 1% resistors. Or am I'm misguided here? |
the chances are the original resistors were 5%, maybe carbon composite. some feel that it is this wide range of tolerence is what gives vintage gear its character and that the modern 1% resistors and high qualit opamps flattens the overall sound.
i'm inclined to agree, but i have been know to indulge in fetishization of objects from time to time... _________________ You can check your anatomy all you want, and even though there may be normal variation, when it comes right down to it, this far inside the head it all looks the same. |
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urbanscallywag

Joined: Nov 30, 2007 Posts: 317 Location: sometimes
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject:
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There are 1% specified resistors on the ARP schematics... |
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Peake

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject:
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bubblechamber wrote: | the chances are the original resistors were 5%, maybe carbon composite. some feel that it is this wide range of tolerence is what gives vintage gear its character and that the modern 1% resistors and high qualit opamps flattens the overall sound.
i'm inclined to agree, but i have been know to indulge in fetishization of objects from time to time... |
It may be a small part, depending upon which synths/modules you select. Moog specified 1% resistors in a few places in the earliest oscillators, yet have capacitors with 20% specification as well. There are seemingly random selection of either carbon or carbon comp (Allen Bradley) resistors in various place, so they must have just used whatever they had more of at the time...some have 5% tolerance, and the ABs have what, up to 10+% variation? Plus ABs may behave differently under load, at least according to what the possibly inaccurate WIKI page details...Buchla also appeared to use them interchangably.
But any Moog user can tell you- Different oscillators will behave differently, especially for something like where the pulse wave craps out. PWM'ing a set of oscillators sounds different than anything modern. Subtle or not so subtle variation is interesting. Shrug. There =are= .1% and even tighter tolerance resistors available, if you must to go the anal route, through and throughout your circuit...Keith Moon fans such as myself prefer a little musical slop  _________________ We are selling emotions, there are no emotions in a grid. -mwagener
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urbanscallywag

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject:
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Looks like there are some 1% resistors in the CV summing section which seems like a good idea. The actual VCO core doesn't look like it has anything specified. |
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etaoin

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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:48 am Post subject:
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Note though that even when 5% resistors were used, they could still have been matched to 1% before they went in. So it's perfectly possible to see a 5% where 1% is specified. It doesn't say "use a 1% resistor", it says "use a resistor with a value within 1% of the specified value".
Using 1% resistors is easier today, but it might have been cheaper to just hand-match a batch of 5% ones in the 70's. _________________ http://www.casia.org/modular/ |
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LetterBeacon
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject:
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So what's everyone using for the temp. compensating resistor? Does anyone have a couple spare that I could swap for a few 5910s? |
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ericcoleridge

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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:
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Tim Servo wrote: | Magic Smoke WILL have Ody VCO boards in about two to three months, for those who can wait (huff, puff, pant). I'm currently testing MKI vs. MKII flavors (huff, pant, wheeze) and we'll have them on a nice blue PCB (pant, gasp, wheeze). Along with some other interesting stuff. |
Just wondering what is the status of this Magic Smoke project, and if the Ody VCO will soon be available? Also curious as to what other "interesting stuff" is in the pipe-line? |
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etaoin

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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:39 am Post subject:
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LetterBeacon wrote: | So what's everyone using for the temp. compensating resistor? |
I used a 2k tempco with a parallel metal film 28.7k in my 4035. This gives you 1.87k with a tempco that should be close to that of the 2k tempco. Probably useful enough until real 1.87k's turn up in the group buy on the sdiy list. Maybe good enough already. _________________ http://www.casia.org/modular/ |
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LetterBeacon
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:20 am Post subject:
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That's a good idea - where can you buy 2k tempco resistors though! |
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