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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

AndyR1960 wrote:

I now tend to take the ground directly from the 0V pad on the PSU connector on all my modules, so far no problems.


Ah, ok. So you just chain it from part to part and then have a single source at the end of this chain going to the 0V PSU pad.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Also saw your posting on the 4035. Any advice/resources for etching your own double-sided board? Always has seemed undoable to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

AndyR1960 wrote:
I'm also glad that I'm not the original designer of this circuit : )


What did I say Shocked undo undo Laughing

Glad this thread is flowing again.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

numbertalk wrote:
Also saw your posting on the 4035. Any advice/resources for etching your own double-sided board? Always has seemed undoable to me.


I suppose it depends on how you make your PCB's... I do mine with Photo resist boards and a UV light box, all 5 DS boards I've made so far have been perfect Very Happy

This may help though:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Two-sided-PCB-using-toner-method/

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

AndyR1960 wrote:
This may help though


Interesting. Seems like it could almost be doable. Might give this a shot at some point. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

AndyR1960 wrote:
synthmonger wrote:
so how did ya make a separate ground?


I didn't have to...

The ground trace went from the power connector to osc 1 then on to osc 2 and back to the power connector.

I just cut the ground track between the seperate Osc circuits, so each oscillator had it's own ground with a common point at the power connector, And following Urban's advice, I also added a decoupling cap across the 4011 to be on the safe side.


Hi Andy,

Does the pdf file of the foils have the trace cut and space for the decoupling cap across the 4011? I can't seem to make them out...

Is there a BOM for this project at all?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's a cheap batch of some 2N5910 (caveat emptor, even though I know the seller and am a happy repeat customer with them. If they say it's good, it's in all likelihood, good.).

http://tinyurl.com/5osz3f

Don't forget to share with the rest of us.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LetterBeacon wrote:


Does the pdf file of the foils have the trace cut and space for the decoupling cap across the 4011? I can't seem to make them out...

Is there a BOM for this project at all?


Hi LB,

The PDF has all the corrections - The decoupling cap for the 4011 is directly above the chip.

Sorry no BOM, it's just a case of going through the layout for your values, shouldn't take more than a few minutes - But I will include BOM's in future modules.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Peake wrote:
Here's a cheap batch of some 2N5910 (caveat emptor, even though I know the seller and am a happy repeat customer with them. If they say it's good, it's in all likelihood, good.)


I concur with Peake, this is the guy who I got mine from last year - They're perfect Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ah, good to know- I like those folks a lot. Cheers!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

AndyR1960 wrote:
Peake wrote:
Here's a cheap batch of some 2N5910 (caveat emptor, even though I know the seller and am a happy repeat customer with them. If they say it's good, it's in all likelihood, good.)


I concur with Peake, this is the guy who I got mine from last year - They're perfect Very Happy

Andy.


So you know, it's still and always caveat emptor- I don't take responsibility for this one, if anything turns out incorrect/not as expected.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Someone bought these 5910s.

If it's someone here, I'd like to have some Smile -- I just didn't really want 40.

I'd be happy to buy 4 though.Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Heh, *raises hand*

PM me and I'll send some out to you (when they arrive, obviously).
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've been through the pdf file and have made up the attached BOM. I've been through it twice and so I don't think I've missed anything.

Quick question: The 680pf timing cap should be polystyrene or silvered mica, but what are the rest of the caps made from?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LetterBeacon wrote:
what are the rest of the caps made from?


I just used the standard "Yellow Box" polyester caps - they're fine. I think the original caps were resin dipped poly and quite big, size wise.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Now this VCO is on my mind. Some of the resistors are not very standard - at least not in my project box. However, if I take e.g. the 221K and calculate a 1% deviation I get: 218K79 and 223K21 thus I think any resistor within that range will do? Or do I miss something?

Even better for substitution: such old design as the ARP VCO based on older parts which are having usually a greater deviation than modern day 1% resistors. Or am I'm misguided here?
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e-grad wrote:
Now this VCO is on my mind. Some of the resistors are not very standard - at least not in my project box. However, if I take e.g. the 221K and calculate a 1% deviation I get: 218K79 and 223K21 thus I think any resistor within that range will do? Or do I miss something?

Even better for substitution: such old design as the ARP VCO based on older parts which are having usually a greater deviation than modern day 1% resistors. Or am I'm misguided here?

the chances are the original resistors were 5%, maybe carbon composite. some feel that it is this wide range of tolerence is what gives vintage gear its character and that the modern 1% resistors and high qualit opamps flattens the overall sound.
i'm inclined to agree, but i have been know to indulge in fetishization of objects from time to time...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There are 1% specified resistors on the ARP schematics...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bubblechamber wrote:
the chances are the original resistors were 5%, maybe carbon composite. some feel that it is this wide range of tolerence is what gives vintage gear its character and that the modern 1% resistors and high qualit opamps flattens the overall sound.
i'm inclined to agree, but i have been know to indulge in fetishization of objects from time to time...


It may be a small part, depending upon which synths/modules you select. Moog specified 1% resistors in a few places in the earliest oscillators, yet have capacitors with 20% specification as well. There are seemingly random selection of either carbon or carbon comp (Allen Bradley) resistors in various place, so they must have just used whatever they had more of at the time...some have 5% tolerance, and the ABs have what, up to 10+% variation? Plus ABs may behave differently under load, at least according to what the possibly inaccurate WIKI page details...Buchla also appeared to use them interchangably.

But any Moog user can tell you- Different oscillators will behave differently, especially for something like where the pulse wave craps out. PWM'ing a set of oscillators sounds different than anything modern. Subtle or not so subtle variation is interesting. Shrug. There =are= .1% and even tighter tolerance resistors available, if you must to go the anal route, through and throughout your circuit...Keith Moon fans such as myself prefer a little musical slop Shocked

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Looks like there are some 1% resistors in the CV summing section which seems like a good idea. The actual VCO core doesn't look like it has anything specified.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Note though that even when 5% resistors were used, they could still have been matched to 1% before they went in. So it's perfectly possible to see a 5% where 1% is specified. It doesn't say "use a 1% resistor", it says "use a resistor with a value within 1% of the specified value".

Using 1% resistors is easier today, but it might have been cheaper to just hand-match a batch of 5% ones in the 70's.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So what's everyone using for the temp. compensating resistor? Does anyone have a couple spare that I could swap for a few 5910s?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: ARP Odyssey Oscillators Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Tim Servo wrote:
Magic Smoke WILL have Ody VCO boards in about two to three months, for those who can wait (huff, puff, pant). I'm currently testing MKI vs. MKII flavors (huff, pant, wheeze) and we'll have them on a nice blue PCB (pant, gasp, wheeze). Along with some other interesting stuff.


Just wondering what is the status of this Magic Smoke project, and if the Ody VCO will soon be available? Also curious as to what other "interesting stuff" is in the pipe-line?
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LetterBeacon wrote:
So what's everyone using for the temp. compensating resistor?


I used a 2k tempco with a parallel metal film 28.7k in my 4035. This gives you 1.87k with a tempco that should be close to that of the 2k tempco. Probably useful enough until real 1.87k's turn up in the group buy on the sdiy list. Maybe good enough already.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That's a good idea - where can you buy 2k tempco resistors though!
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