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thebot



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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Does anyone have an fpd file for a MOTM style panel for this they could share?

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No FPD file, but you could use my design. All MOTM spacing on this one, except that I moved the switches and the ribbon socket in line with the knobs.
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It's not totally finished, need the switches.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm at the calibration stage and it looks like I've got problems. Current mode adjustment and pressure comparator adjustment went fine; Gate led lights and goes out as it should but I've hit a wall with the Voltage mode range adjustment.... VR2 adjusts R117 to -4.75V no prob, VR3 adjusts R28 to 0.6V no prob.. TP1 however reads nothing where ever I press on the ribbon. I've tested the ribbon and it seems to be fine. Something ain't right and I'd appreciate any help. Cheers
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lets drop a few more incense to burner for care our honorable seigniors,overland and overseas!!!
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Satindas wrote:
I'm at the calibration stage and it looks like I've got problems. Current mode adjustment and pressure comparator adjustment went fine; Gate led lights and goes out as it should but I've hit a wall with the Voltage mode range adjustment.... VR2 adjusts R117 to -4.75V no prob, VR3 adjusts R28 to 0.6V no prob.. TP1 however reads nothing where ever I press on the ribbon. I've tested the ribbon and it seems to be fine. Something ain't right and I'd appreciate any help. Cheers


Nevermind, I have the Input (Sample/Ribbon) Switch labelled arse about face!
All done now:) calibrated and sliding about like John Curry on aceed
Pics when I finish the ribbon board!
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just about finished populating my board yesterday, what a project!!! Consumed most of the day. I'm missing one trimmer and one diode to get the PCB part completed. Can't wait to move on to the next phase. Cool stuff....

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 7:17 am    Post subject: Slide not holding Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

First off.. a huge thanks to Bill and Scott for an awesome piece of kit ! This thing rocks and as my final DIY project for the foreseeable future it really is the icing on the cake and everything seems to be good except for two (hopefully) minor problems. No,1, the slide voltage is not holding ie. with only the slide amount turned up, when I release pressure after a slide the voltage drops to 0V. I was suspicious the fault may be one of the LF398s but after swapping the relevant ones out the fault persists. Secondly, and this one shouldn't be too difficult to trace; the Course Offset pot currently has no effect.

I'm gonna crack on and get the course offset sussed if I can but any ideas about the Slide not holding would be most appreciated cos I honestly don't know where to look for faults Wink

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:44 pm    Post subject: Pics of my Appendage (XXX rated !) Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok so here's the "finished" article.
I got the course offset sorted no problem but I'm having trouble trcing the fault with the slide voltage not holding; again, any help or advice on this would be deserving of a pint or two of your favourite ale ! Many thanks would also be offered Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey I finally got around to building this thing. What an amazing controller! Great design and wonderful documentation. I've only been playing with it for a few days and am completely in love with the performance. It's a perfect tool someone who is looking for linear control, or at least it is for me. I want to thank Scott and Bill for making this thing come to life and making it so damn easy to construct.
There's this interview with Bob Moog(soon before he died) somewhere on the net in which he was asked what recent technological achievements with musical instruments interested him. He responded that he enjoyed some of the new and innovative controllers that were being created. Although I cannot speak for the man(the legend), I would say that the Appendage lives up to this level. Albeit an old idea ,the ribbon controller has been recreated. The Appendage offers complete flexibility, expression, and ease of use. I have been wanting controller like this for years, thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Pics of my Appendage (XXX rated !) Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Satindas wrote:
Ok so here's the "finished" article.

Looks awesome! Do you have an .fpd you can share of that build?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Can I replace the 1N457 with another diode?
I've a hard time finding this diode, unless I buy at Mouser or Farnell, but I'm not near ordering a huge pile of components. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:49 am    Post subject: Re: Pics of my Appendage (XXX rated !) Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Satindas wrote:
Ok so here's the "finished" article.
I got the course offset sorted no problem but I'm having trouble trcing the fault with the slide voltage not holding;


I don't mean to be pedantic, but everyone should remember that it's actually a coarse offset control, not a course offset control.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I am currently building a large synthesizer controller system which will include an appendage module. There will be a number of features integrated into the appendage design, such as a quantizer and several CV processing systems. Details can be found here:

http://www.electronicpeasant.com/projects/synthbend/synthbend.html

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So what has everybody been doing with their softpots as far as protection goes? Are you using them bare with no covering at all? Or are you using some sort of plastic sheeting or other protective layer over top? Maybe something like the plastic protectors used on touch displays like on phones and computer tablets?

I'm wondering if I should bother with this or not.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Has any one used the kurzweil ribon with the appendage?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:31 pm    Post subject: ribbon protection Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I saw special tape in the Mc Master-Carr catalog for this purpose. I copied this from the catalog. "Super Wear-Resistant Slippery Tape
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General purpose tape resists high humidity and chemicals. It has 0.002" thick acrylic adhesive and a temperature range of -40° to 300° F.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:46 am    Post subject: Substitutes for C50-C52 2nF 1%caps? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Has anyone got a subsitute for the 2nf +Polyprop caps C50-C52. Digikey has them marked as obsolete no longer available. Mouser, RS, and Farnells dont have a direct equivelent. The nearest I have found are either 1.8nf or 2.2nf 200v or above.

Anyone got a suggestion for a suitable alternative? Or would using one of the caps I have found be OK to use?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:43 am    Post subject: Re: Substitutes for C50-C52 2nF 1%caps? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

rumblin_cynth_rampo wrote:
Has anyone got a subsitute for the 2nf +Polyprop caps C50-C52. Digikey has them marked as obsolete no longer available. Mouser, RS, and Farnells dont have a direct equivelent. The nearest I have found are either 1.8nf or 2.2nf 200v or above.

Anyone got a suggestion for a suitable alternative? Or would using one of the caps I have found be OK to use?


I don't see a need for polypropylene here, ceramic C0G or NP0 will do just as fine, and should be easier to obtain. You could also put two 1nF capacitors in parallel to get 2nF. Although not sure if the exact value matters that much.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: Substitutes for C50-C52 2nF 1%caps? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

wmonk wrote:
rumblin_cynth_rampo wrote:
Has anyone got a subsitute for the 2nf +Polyprop caps C50-C52. Digikey has them marked as obsolete no longer available. Mouser, RS, and Farnells dont have a direct equivelent. The nearest I have found are either 1.8nf or 2.2nf 200v or above.

Anyone got a suggestion for a suitable alternative? Or would using one of the caps I have found be OK to use?


I don't see a need for polypropylene here, ceramic C0G or NP0 will do just as fine, and should be easier to obtain. You could also put two 1nF capacitors in parallel to get 2nF. Although not sure if the exact value matters that much.


Having had a good peruse of the LF398 data sheet I think you are right that the value may not be that important. I think as long as it is around the 2nF value it will be OK. Didn't actually thing of using a C0G ceramic. I keep forgetting about them even though I have used them in the past for similar functions.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Substitutes for C50-C52 2nF 1%caps? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

rumblin_cynth_rampo wrote:
Has anyone got a subsitute for the 2nf +Polyprop caps C50-C52. Digikey has them marked as obsolete no longer available. Mouser, RS, and Farnells dont have a direct equivelent. The nearest I have found are either 1.8nf or 2.2nf 200v or above.

Anyone got a suggestion for a suitable alternative? Or would using one of the caps I have found be OK to use?


I just built the circuit and used these: https://ca.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=BFC238062202virtualkey59420000virtualkey594-2222-380-62202

Although the C0G/NP0 would have been less expensive.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey everybody,

First i'd like to say thanks a lot for this really cool project!
I just finished the appendage to use it as a controller for my eurorack and was trying to calibrate it, but ran into some problems while doing so.
I'm having troubles with point 3 in the calibration manual.
Everything works fine til step 3. 7., I get the -4.5 to -5V and also the +0.55 to 0.65 Volts.
But on TP1 I get really low values which aren't near right. When pressing the lowest point of the ribbon i get something like 0.009V and when pressing the highest point something like 0.014V.
I've already triplechecked my soldering, orientation of Diodes and IC's and everything and can't find anything wrong. Can anybody point me in the right direction as for where I should check for faults?

Oh, and I substituted the TS556 on U6 with this and a an Adapter: https://www.digikey.ch/product-detail/de/stmicroelectronics/TS556IDTTR/497-16000-1-ND/5452409
Is that alright?

I would be really thankful for some help as I already spent quite a lot of time for this and am so much looking forward to finishing it,

Till
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So....

I went to order a softpot a few weeks back with some other stuff, but they didn't have the 500mm that I wanted. So without really giving it much thought, I ordered the 750mm Very Happy

My main question is, am I going to need to tweak the components associated with JMP1 further?

Just getting started with the build proper, have had a bunch of other projects ahead of it in the queue (mostly for other people).


Edit: looked at the data sheet, yes, 750mm has 20K resistance like the 500, and as I read some of the other threads that sounds like the answer. Should be fine....

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BTW what's the expected current draw on the supplies?

I have a convenient little PCB for using a meanwell NSD10-12D12 to provide bipolar 12V from a DC source (usually also 12V); it has a max of 420mA per rail. I don't think this seems like the kind of project that would need more than that, but I'd kinda like to know before I wire everything up.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Alright got the calibration sorted, switch soldered in the wrong way around ....
Here's my finished eurorack controller skiff version of it.
Also put in one long fsr under the softpot, two small fsr's and an IR sensor.
And two arduonos that read them and convert it to analog voltages.
Hope this sorts my controller needs out for quite some time.

Thanks again to the creators, it feels like an amazing instrument with so many capabilities!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So while I'm on a roll of asking questions that nobody is answering Very Happy


I don't have a TS556.... I do have several NE556 chips.

Any hard reason the TS is required?
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