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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

egw wrote:
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I wonder how many E-M '06 performers would claim to know music theory of any stripe. Anybody want to guess?


I think you might be surprised to find that most have a substantial knowledge of music theory.


I'm not surprised at all. I just never thought to ask the question.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
OT: Some years ago Eduardo Lores sent me his thesis "Just In Time - Towards a theory on rhytm and metre". I think his work is seriously good.


Sounds interesting! This can't be found anywhere online, by any chance?
(Or for sale in Europe, for that matter.)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I will check. Perhaps I will ask Eduardo himself.
Anyways, I think Bachus might have read the text too. I wonder what he thinks about it?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh oh.. my fault.. typo.. Eduardo is a Lopes and not a Lores.. Embarassed


Anyways..
http://mto.societymusictheory.org/mto-dissertations.html?id=229

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Many musicians (whether composers, performers, or writers) see rhythm as the most fundamental and indispensable element of music. But paradoxically, the general recognition of the paramount importance of the durational parameters of music (rhythm and metre), ended up working against them: the 'naturalness' of rhythm and metre made theorists feel too confident that their own aesthetic preferences reflected the essence of these parameters. The result is the subordinate position attributed to rhythm and metre by traditional music theory, which seeks to understand them in relation to pitch structure. This thesis instead proposes a purely durational approach which assesses the operation and qualities (mainly salience and kinesis) of rhythm and metre, and their interaction with other music parameters. The proposed model is supported by a series of experiments and illustrated in three analytical case studies.


A great read.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
OT: Some years ago Eduardo Lores sent me his thesis "Just In Time - Towards a theory on rhytm and metre". I think his work is seriously good.

does anyone have Mandelbaum, M. Joel. Multiple Division of the Octave and the Tonal Resources of the 19-Tone Equal Temperament. PhD Thesis, University of Indiana, 1961, 460 pages. University Microfilms, Ann Arbor MI, 1961. Question

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I will take a look. I do have some boxes with photocopies of some of that stuff.. or I might.. it was all a mess from the start anyway.. uh.. don´t ask.. whatever...

When I saw this request I googled for Ivor Darreg. I guess you all already know of his texts like: The Coming Electronic Orchestra- Ivor Darreg

See his "case for nineteen" - http://sonic-arts.org/darreg/CASE.HTM

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ivor Darreg

Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.

See also: IVOR DARREG AND XENHARMONICS

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well... being consenting adults and all that.. what about a TOCteasing session? Check this url: http://xh.xentonic.org/tables-of-contents.html

Salivating already?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I found this one on my disk:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don´t think it is kosher to ignore Viggo Brun in this context. I only have his text from 1961 on "music and euchlidian algorithms" in norwegian though. But here it is:


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
Well... being consenting adults and all that.. what about a TOCteasing session? Check this url: http://xh.xentonic.org/tables-of-contents.html

Salivating already?

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you can get those at The Just Intonation Store
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You naughty sailor you. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Theory or Theatre
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Hi--I'm looking forward to meeting everyone in Philly...

Music theory...vs...computer documentation.

I like it best when I'm done reading and I have a new tool. I like it least when it expresses something that's already been used up. Not by me, but by whoever wrote it.

Same with philosophy. Or the news for that matter. Some unfinished chunk'o'stuff that I can play with in my sandbox. "Need input". Exactly. But not necessarily predigested.

Although a good perception can save us all time...

Different thought:

Perhaps at the symposium (which will be short), folks can bring short recorded examples (or produce them live for that matter) that illustrate concepts. Help keep the theory:concrete ratio chewable. If someone is going on too long...someone can call for an illustration. Or if someone's illustration goes on so long the concept is being lost...call for an explanation. Manage the presentation by managing the talk:music ratio.

After all, it's all about time...

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject:
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Robert,

I've been thinking about how to handle exactly that problem--how to have musical examples in the balance with the talk, and still do it all in an hour. The examples would have to be really short, which isn't easy to do with electronic music. I'm coming to the conclusion that we should just talk and see where it goes. We're going to have a full panel of people with very interesting ideas, and we'll be surrounded by music all weekend.

But then again, talking about music is like dancing about architecture ...

Steve

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Should Music Be Composed With the Aid Of Systems?
ca. 1959
Ivor Darreg
http://sonic-arts.org/darreg/dar7.htm

or this where that link is from

THE COMPLETE
MUSICAL WRITINGS OF IVOR DARREG

http://sonic-arts.org/darreg/contents.htm

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: talk and music
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It's going to be short, and fairly informal, so I agree. I was just writing out loud, as I am want to do on occasion...

If somebody wanted to show up equipped with a point to make and music to illustrate, s/he could just pre-load short clips on an iPod, and dial up and play whichever clip was to the point. We could have a line in mini jack or something.

Or we can just talk. Either works for me.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There will be a PA and we can easilly play clips form a protable mp3 or CD player.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

seraph wrote:
elektro80 wrote:
Well... being consenting adults and all that.. what about a TOCteasing session? Check this url: http://xh.xentonic.org/tables-of-contents.html

Salivating already?

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Get 'em while you can:
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