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elektro80
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:04 am Post subject:
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You have an organized anti-us movement in Italy? But what has this to do with the inmates of "prison USA"? Is this not just projected against US policies and whatever.. not the very people of the US? Someone should preach the gospel of love to those commies of yours. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:40 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | Someone should preach the gospel of love to those commies of yours. |
Italy had the strongest communist party of western Europe: we still have the privilege to see red flags with portraits of Stalin on the streets every once in a while
I am sure you envy me for this privilege _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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elektro80
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:57 am Post subject:
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seraph wrote: |
I am sure you envy me for this privilege |
Are they actually of the Stalinist breed? Really?
Do you have any Pol Pot fans in Italy? We have some up here.
This guy is Pål Steigan. Here he is shaking hands with chairman Mao.
The pix was taken in 1970. The marxist leninist love story with Pol Pot is a sad story.
Here is the same guy showing pictures from his trip with the marxixt leninist delegation to Cambodia in 1978.
http://www.bearstrong.net/warblog/000360.html
BTW: Here is a blog about politics in Norway.
http://www.bearstrong.net/warblog/000374.html _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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elektro80
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 1:32 pm Post subject:
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I know this is even more OT, but here is a link to a Pol Pot photo essay at Time.com _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:13 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | . The history and fate of AKP (m-l) and the other totalitarian sects is tragicomic, repulsive and educational, further evidence if you need it that democracy and rationality are fragile concepts, just as likely to be destroyed by intellectuals as to be protected by them. |
I love it
Stein, great job _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | Norway have our own stories of ethnic oppression, of forced sterilization of Romani's and Gypsies |
Romani what does that mean (in Italian "Romani" means "those living in Rome" )
Is there an Anti-Italian movement up in Norway _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:33 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | HOLOCAUST: often capitalized : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II -- usually used with the |
a question:
could the Cambodian genocide be filed under the "holocausts of the 20th Century" category or the word holocaust should be left only to describe "the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II"
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject:
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seraph wrote: |
a question:
could the Cambodian genocide be filed under the "holocausts of the 20th Century" category or the word holocaust should be left only to describe "the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II"
(off topic and beyond) |
"WELCOME TO UKRAINE" MAGAZINE
The Great Famine-Genocide in Soviet Ukraine, 1932-1933 (Holodomor)
Ukrainian Genocide----Ukrainian Holocaust _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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Cyxeris
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 4:05 pm Post subject:
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seraph wrote: | a question:
could the Cambodian genocide be filed under the "holocausts of the 20th Century" category or the word holocaust should be left only to describe "the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II"
(off topic and beyond) |
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject:
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Cyxeris wrote: |
Holocaust® |
do you mean the word is registered and can not be used by anyone else _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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Cyxeris
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 4:18 pm Post subject:
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No, just saying that you have holocausts, and then you have The Holocaust. You have many Spetember 11ths, but then you have The September 11th.
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject:
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For your enjoyment:
The Artificial Famine/Genocide in Ukraine 1932-33 _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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elektro80
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:09 pm Post subject:
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Hehe... yes... AKP(ml) - well meaning academics..
This brings Howl by Alan Ginsberg to mind
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,..."
The Romani are a people.. often also called "the travelers". The norwegian government pretty much decided to get rid of them and the gypsies. I guess it can be called an attempt at genocide. They did not quite succeed though. A great controversy. The story was unknown until quite recently. A sad story. The project was actually related to the nazi race theory. It ended sometime in the late 70s / early 80s. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | Are they actually of the Stalinist breed? Really?
Do you have any Pol Pot fans in Italy? |
it's an endangered species. I hope the WWF will save them from extinction to conserve the world's biological diversity _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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elektro80
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject:
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Ahh... yes.. you think the WWF will set up special camps for the Stalinists? Smart move! _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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seraph
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | Ahh... yes.. you think the WWF will set up special camps for the Stalinists? Smart move! |
do not be rude, Stein! try to be politically correct:
no camps but "sanctuaries" _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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elektro80
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject:
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Sanctuaries! Indeed! _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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paul e.
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:48 pm Post subject:
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i thought all day about my above statement where i chastise [most] americans for being 'mesmerised, over- consuming sheep'
but after some thougt, i realised this was just too easy
it is easy to blame americans for what EVERY 'CIVILISED' PERSON is guilty of to some degree - myself included
as ghandi said [paraphrase]
'to combat violence and greed in the world, we must first conquer it in ourselves'
so, rather than lash out at americans, i have decided to continue my 'internal revolution' with more fervour and turn that criticism to my own faults
'it's and inside job'
thanks to all in this thread for enlightening and worthy discussion
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paul e.
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:36 pm Post subject:
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was just reminded of this droll quote from our friend, the late authour Douglas Adams
Quote: | if America is like a belligerent, adolescent boy; Canada is like an intelligent, 35-year-old woman
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funny guy, eh _________________ Spiral Recordings |
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Kruge
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:36 am Post subject:
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Quote: | Italy had the strongest communist party of western Europe: we still have the privilege to see red flags with portraits of Stalin on the streets every once in a while |
... as well as pictures of the Duce...
Sorry, couldn't resist..
. Quote: | Sudden, one of the reasons I love to visit Canada is because there really is a different point of view there.
Toronto is close enough to drive to for dinner. I can get there on one tank of gas. The people speak the same language. Everything looks pretty much the same. But, it is really a different country. Montreal and Quebec more so even. |
Heheheh... I guess everyone here at least has heard of "Bowling for Columbine", right? I just *love* that segment where they compare the US to Canada and Moore checking out if the Canadians really don't lock their dors... "Thanks for not shooting me!"
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seraph
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:45 am Post subject:
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Kruge wrote: | Quote: | Italy had the strongest communist party of western Europe: we still have the privilege to see red flags with portraits of Stalin on the streets every once in a while |
... as well as pictures of the Duce...
Sorry, couldn't resist..
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that's OK Kruge
I lived 4 years in Boston, in the North End (its Italian neighborhood). One day I entered a bar and I heard a fascist song coming out of the jukebox. I was startled, you could not sing a song like that in Italy, I guess you could be arrested for patronizing fascism. There was only one guy, plus the bartender, and he looked like a gangster (he could have been a character of "The Godfather"). the sensation was really awkward: it was like going back in time fifty years. A few months later I read on a newspaper that he was arrested, he was indeed a mobster and, probably, a nostalgic fascist.
You see Kruge........... _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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Kruge
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:11 pm Post subject:
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Hehehe...
And just to make sure noone believes I want to fingerpoint (I just can't resist obvious jokes, no matter how poor), there's a fair share of Neonazis ere in Germany as well...
Anyway - as long as we're talking uneducated world politics (*) - somehow I bet that Berlusconi is quite happy about Bush taking away attention from him, huh?
(*) at least that's where I'm standing... I have read Moore and Noam Chomsky, but I guess my finger is far away from the pulse since I've stopped watching the news a while ago. Hell - I've heard about Saddam's capture about three weeks later... _________________ brielmusik myspace reverb nation twitter |
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Cyxeris
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:19 pm Post subject:
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You arent missing much, just a steady stream of finely tuned propaganda. You're probably better off not being exposed to it, really.
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seraph
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject:
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Kruge wrote: | somehow I bet that Berlusconi is quite happy about Bush taking away attention from him, huh? |
I do not think so, Kruge
Our prime minister is a poet of propaganda, he is a true genius at that.
Today celebrating the tenth anniversary of the foundation of his party he was screaming against communists in such a "Cold War way" that I find very entertaining and amusing.
He can be very convincing or, as we say in Italy: "he could talk eskimos into buying refrigerators"
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