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DJDelphinus
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 Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject:
Nord Lead 2x HELP!!! How do I initialize a patch!?
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| So I just bought a Nord Lead 2x synthesizer and I CANNOT figure out how to initialize a patch/start a sound from scratch with just a basic oscilllator sound. I want to create my own sounds.I've looked in the manual,but can't seem to find the answer. PLEASE if anyone could help me out.It is usually a VERY simple process on every other synthesizer I have ever played. THANK YOU!! |
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject:
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 DJDelphinus
This is called Manual [Shift+Perf.Mode] [see Manual page 22 and 23]
To download the Manual if needed, see http://electro-music.com/forum/post-210056.html#210056
Also attached is an Init Patch in SysEx format.
Load this from the computer into the synth and press [2 x Store].
Also a Windows tool to use as an Editor.
Wout
BTW I removed the cross posting in the How To forum.
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DJDelphinus
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject:
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| Thanks Wout! That was a HUGE help to me. I bought this synth second hand and the original owner of the Nord Lead 2x must have saved over the basic "manual" patch...Thank you for including both the editor and patch for me. |
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject:
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| DJDelphinus wrote: | | ... I bought this synth second hand ... |
Most questions in this forum are posted by second hand owners. In fact it's the main reason of its existence 
The Manual isn't that clear about Manual mode. Is it the first remark, which reads it uses the real value of the knobs at that moment or is it the second one, about a Init Program stored in a special memory location.
I'll try later...
(Don't use that feature much...)
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:37 am Post subject:
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| I wrote: | ... I'll try later...
(Don't use that feature much...) |
Tried to figure it all out and realized the Manual has to be read as the Bible or Koran or other holy books: always look what the words mean to you...
The first statement is true: in Manual mode the value of all knobs are as they really are; only the buttons (see this as the patch cables in a modular synth) are as saved as described in the second statement.
Now to find out what the use of the Manual could be to the musician...
After powering up and switching to Manual mode the configuration is an Init Program, but the parameters are as they are when closing down the Program session before... Well, set all 25 knobs...  
Using [Shift+Perf.mode] twice it will switch between Program and Manual mode, but this isn't useful to do a compare between sounds... Changing Slots A and B works better, so it's not a comparison tool...
Well it can’t deliver an Initial sound nor save a configuration on the fly.
The question: what is the use of Manual mode…?
BTW better use a SysEx download computer > synth with an Initial Program of your choice. No problem when working in the studio.
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melmac
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | The question: what is the use of Manual mode…? |
this is actually a very good question!
I also bought a second hand Rack 2X and was looking for a "basic program" from which I could build up new sounds.
So, the Manual mode seemed to be the right tool but I quickly learned that "my" stored manual program always was gone when powering off and on again.
Perhaps we should ask the specialists from Clavia what they mean with "When you enter Manual mode, the button functions (waveform select, modulation destinations etc.) will be set to some default values, for a basic sound." Which "some default values" are meant? It seems that they are different every time...
Thanks for some further tests or information about this strange function.
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject:
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| melmac wrote: | | ... Thanks for some further tests or information about this strange function. |
Well, I tested using the next procedure: in Manual mode I set all buttons to the ‘lowest’ value, which is LED is off or at the lowest LED and turned all knobs to zero, then I saved this in Manual mode, shut down the synth. Booted again and opened Manual mode. Using [Shift+DumpOne] I opened the Program on the computer into NordGen (is able to show the parameters). Result: exactly the Program saved in Manual mode.
I changed in Manual mode all knobs to the highest value, saved again, closed the synth, opened again in Manual mode, changed all knobs to 50% (= 64), didn’t save in Manual mode, closed again, re-opened Manual mode after booting and checked in NordGen: all knobs are in 50% position, so the saved setting of the highest value isn’t there (which was saved… or not) Conclusion: knobs aren’t part of Manual mode.
So I changed all buttons to the highest setting (LED lit or the highest one of a row is lit), saved this, closed the synth and opened up again and checked Manual mode. All settings which were saved were there when checking in NordGen.
Okay, what the Manual says is right.
Then I checked the possibility to save a Program constructed in Manual mode. This is the normal procedure: press Save > press Perf.mode twice = Program memory > scroll to the right location and press save again.
Still, what can a musician do with this feature? One thing, the knobs don’t act immediate anymore, which makes programming a little bit more pleasant to do.
Another observation is a saved configuration is implemented on an existing setting of the knobs. Why is this feature designed on the NordLead? The answer lies in the text in the Manual: “ | Quote: | | If you want to use the front panel to make up a sound from scratch |
Note the synth is already 15 years on the market and therefore almost 17 to 18 years in concept… In those days patching using real cables or pre-patches set ups with switches were mostly used. What was the first thing a synth programmer did? Put in a couple of patch cables, mostly in a standard configuration, then setting the main knobs in a position the programmer is used to and after this he/she starts to alter the configuration (connecting a RingModulator or use a Sync input on an Oscillator) and would change the parameters. In other words: in Manual mode the synth works like an old semi modular synthesizer… just like the Prophet V..!
I can imagine Clavia offered Manual mode to the group of factory preset makers, who were familiar with this way of programming.
It’s today’s programmer who starts a new sound by changing a factory preset! Back then there were not many presets…
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Wout Blommers
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In circumstances like this a good thing to do is making a bicycle ride, which I do every day to my work. It makes my grey matter work... Clavia should deliver a bike too 
The conclusion from the post above is (at least I think it is): you hear what you see on the Panel, which is a saved configuration of the buttons and exactly what the knobs (parameters) show you.
The parameters aren’t saved in Manual mode, only the buttons.
What would be as good initial Program to start in Manual mode?
I suggest an as basic as possible sound.
This means the most important wave form, which is both Oscillators set to saw waves.
No modulations, so LFO1 set to PWM (doesn’t show because the Oscillators are in saw wave); LFO2 press [Arp] twice, which disables LFO2 completely and the ModEnv direction pressed until it is disabled too.
No Ringmodulator nor Sync
Osc PWM works only on pulse, so the parameter isn’t in the sound.
No Filter Velocity; no Distortion; KeyboardTrack in Oscillator2 and Filter enabled (full).
Filter to LP12dB.
No Morph nor Velocity and Wheel destination to Morph.
I prefer a Voice mode in Poly.
No Unison.
No Portamento in auto.
OctaveShift in the mid position.
Another way to get a more sober sound is to use a Program stored in a Performance memory location, for which I choose the latest location of a special Bank. This Program has also most parameters set to a zero level, besides the Oscillator2 SemiTone and Fine, Filter Cut-Off and Amp Sustain. I like to use a Gain of 90, so I can also go upwards in volume. The rest is like above.
Using a Performance in which I saved in all 4 Slots the same Program makes it possible to compare sounds to find out which one will fit better into a song. That one will be saved on the synths Program Bank. The rest is stored onto the computer.
A drawback for this method is the knobs are in immediate mode, where Manual uses the real physical setting. Try to find out which way is the best for you!
Wout
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