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gslukin77
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 Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:24 am Post subject:
 NORD LEAD 3 Rack PROBLEMS :: Will Not Boot!
Subject description: When I turn on the power, it keeps repeating the Welcome sequence |
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I have a Nord Lead 3 that's misbehaving. When I turn on the power, it keeps repeating the Welcome sequence, ""Welcome to Nord Lead 3... Nord Lead 3 Version 1.20... Welcome to Nord Lead 3... Nord Lead 3 Version 1.20... Welcome to Nord Lead 3... Nord Lead 3 Version 1.20..."
Pretty evil. This thing has barely left the studio, but it must be 7 years old now.
Any ideas?
Cheers
George |
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Infra
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject:
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Have a Nord Rack 3 myself and...
I´have exactly the same specific issue...
and I want to know what to do...PLEASE ? |
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject:
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Both of you 
Must has slipped to my attention (holidays)...
I think best thing to do is contact the nearby service station.
I hope repair is possible 
Next in line is to contact Clavia using the feedback mail, not the service one.
Wout |
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Infra
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for that 
Dont know where the closest service point is so I´ll try to call them tomorrow, , as they are located in swe.
I´ll keep you posted in the this issue |
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:14 am Post subject:
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Don't call them to early.
Not before 1100 hours
Wout |
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Infra
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:45 am Post subject:
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Just spoke with johan @ clavia. he is their serviceguy in stockholm.
So they´ve heard about this issue before, and said they wants to get a solution for this once and for all. They still don´t know what it is.
He said its probably a power-board and in worst case scenario the motherboard... If its the motherboard, its really bad... because clavia don´t have any motherboards left for the NL/NR 3
So i´m going to send this unit to them, thru a reseller.
The cost will probably end up with about 100 euros, if its a power-board additional 70 euros. |
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gslukin77
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:42 am Post subject:
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this is what i found out:
from SERVICE CLAVIA:
Hi chaps’
The boot-loop-error on the NL3 mentioned in the thread is worth looking at, here at Clavia.
When we see this, mostly one of the six DSPs can’t boot during the start process due to various kind of things.
Could be one badly soldered pin or broken compoent (DSP) that causes this, but sometimes a poor power supply as well.
Hard to say here and now, not having the cards in front of me.
The NL3 is a bit sensitive to low input voltages on the main input.
Please (George) measure the incoming voltage from the same wall socket you use the NL3 on while seeing this problem, and let me know what you see.
If you use a lot of analogue gear, such as mixing consoles, git amps, outboard etc, power these things ON as well while measuring the voltage.
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BE CARFUL SENDING this to NON clavia re-pare shops (this is what happened to one my friend Adam:
Regarding Adams’ card it was totally destroyed by the repair center as loads of leads in the PCB were broken while lifting one of the DSPs.
These accidents happen sometimes working with 100+ pins surface mounted ICs.
Technically it might be possible to fix it, though I wouldn’t guarantee the functionality/stability after making 20-30 straps/connections all over the board.
In a pre-development prototype situation at an RnD-dept it might work out, though it doesn’t feel safe to let that kind of unit go back to customer for professional use.
I think you understand what I mean.
BR/JOHAN
Service Clavia <service> |
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Infra
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:46 am Post subject:
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Yeah thats exactly what Johan told me over the phone as well.
So i guess I should meassure here as well. |
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:08 am Post subject:
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The NL3 is indeed very sensitive to the wrong power and Midi data during booting.
Let's hope this is the trouble.
A broken motherboard is a disaster, because the DSP is totally out of production... 
Wout |
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gslukin77
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:58 am Post subject:
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what is the best way to measure the out put voltage , anyone?
is there a device i can purchase that can stabilize the output voltage? |
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Infra
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:31 am Post subject:
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update from Johan@clavia support.
He just called me, and was very confused, because the unit was working perfectly in his hands, and all he did was to connect it to the power and turned it on...
So he will continue to messure on it, check solderings etc... the saga continues |
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Infra
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:17 am Post subject:
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| gslukin77 wrote: | what is the best way to measure the out put voltage , anyone?
is there a device i can purchase that can stabilize the output voltage? |
I used a standard voltmeter to meassure with.
There is also certain stablizers you can but like this one:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/news_msg_schluss_mit_dem_spannungsraten.html
I ordered one...
I´m sure you can by this one or similar in the states.
// F |
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Infra
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject:
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So My NR3 has returned from Clavia, and just as i said before it has worked flawless at clavia, but just in case, they did replaced some components on the powercard. And it has been working eversince...
No one still don´t know whats causing this.
But I´m happy mine works again !
// Fredrik |
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject:
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| Infra wrote: | | ... But I´m happy mine works again ! |
And that's the main thing!
Wout |
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NordGas
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:52 am Post subject:
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Yeah, that's great news!
It's also good that these problems often seem to be coming down to power supply issues, as power supplies can be fixed and/or improved.
It's a fact that voltage regulators do not like anything less than about 2 volts over what voltage they're designed to regulate. Eg a 12 volt regulator likes to see at least 14 volts, and ideally a bit more.
I'm lucky in Australia because the voltage here is 240v and my NL3 is designed to run on 230v, and presumably is ok with drops to 220v. The transformer does buzz a bit though. |
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Infra
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject:
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| Ehm , Johan at clavia even run mine at 205 volts in a powertest. where NR3/NL3 is known to be o bit critical due to low voltage, but mine did work just fine. So 220 V is not a problem |
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NordGas
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:16 am Post subject:
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| Infra wrote: | | Ehm , Johan at clavia even run mine at 205 volts in a powertest. where NR3/NL3 is known to be o bit critical due to low voltage, but mine did work just fine. So 220 V is not a problem |
Good to know - thanks for posting the info! |
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x3man
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:22 am Post subject:
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| Infra wrote: | So My NR3 has returned from Clavia, and just as i said before it has worked flawless at clavia, but just in case, they did replaced some components on the powercard. And it has been working eversince...
No one still don´t know whats causing this.
But I´m happy mine works again !
// Fredrik |
I have the exactly same problem with my NL3 now. (non-stop repeating sequence Welcome to Nord Lead 3 - Nord Lead 3 Version 1.20)
Infra you have PM...  |
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Infra
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:07 am Post subject:
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Pm answered.
Please read what Wout said as well...
Dont call to early
// f |
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munkthalund
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:32 am Post subject:
Solution, worked for me |
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Hello
I have two NL3s, both very choosy about their mains.
I posted this fix on gearslutz, it worked like a charm on both my synths.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/6515383-post19.html
// thalund |
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Infra
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject:
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AHA ! Thanks for that, simple and cheap !
I read the post on GS, Henrik Munch... the same who was active in the Orichalcum-project back in the days ? |
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munkthalund
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:37 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | | the same who was active in the Orichalcum-project back in the days ? |
Yeah, same guy. He's a dear friend of mine.
//René |
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Infra
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| Great then I take my hat off , Orichalcum, is one of my alltime-favourite acts... |
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kooljohn
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:22 am Post subject:
Re: NORD LEAD 3 Rack PROBLEMS :: Will Not Boot!
Subject description: When I turn on the power, it keeps repeating the Welcome sequence |
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| gslukin77 wrote: | I have a Nord Lead 3 that's misbehaving. When I turn on the power, it keeps repeating the Welcome sequence, ""Welcome to Nord Lead 3... Nord Lead 3 Version 1.20... Welcome to Nord Lead 3... Nord Lead 3 Version 1.20... Welcome to Nord Lead 3... Nord Lead 3 Version 1.20..."
George |
I have pretty much the same issue on my keyboard ord 3 and it's been this way for a few years but I've not repaired just haven't used it. Now I'm back making music and wish to get this beast up and running again so need it repaired.
Just a few details...
I bought mine about 10yrs ago
Never used it live it has only been in my studio
Would leave it on overnight if I was working on a tune and often in the morning would have found it had re-booted
Have tried it in every socket in my house, with nothing else on and it still keeps repeating the power on message then rebooting
I live in Ireland (bought this when I lived in the uk and didn't have any problems there)
Help please
Also, could someone give me the exact specs of the fuse used in the nd3 and also the old school Nordlead keyboard as I would like to get a few spares.
Thanks very much for your help folks. |
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Wout Blommers
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:41 am Post subject:
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First I would contact the distributor to hear what they can offer you:
Sound Technology plc
17 Letchworth Point
Letchworth Garden City
Hertfordshire SG6 1ND
United Kingdom
Phone: +44 1462 480000
e-mai: sales@soundtech.co.uk
Wout |
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