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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
....children with brain damage,....


I'm very happy to announce that an electro-music Klee was born today at 6.30pm GMT in Bristol, UK, with an almost perfect bill of health right from the off.

!!!

To build something like this and for it to work first time on power up is testament to what an amazing job Scott, Andy and Bill have done with this project. Raising a glass and a grin to a wonderful team!

I'm still a bit zonked from the mammoth wiring session and the first squelch'n'rhythm explorations but I've got some pictures for now. More details & etc coming tomorrow and onwards..


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bugbrand wrote:
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....children with brain damage,....


I'm very happy to announce that an electro-music Klee was born today at 6.30pm GMT in Bristol, UK, with an almost perfect bill of health right from the off.


Shocked Laughing No brain damage there for sure, congrats ! And doesn't she just look like al of her dadies.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey Scott,

Thanks for the tips. Work has taken me away from play for the time being, but I am looking forward to wiring up my SoundLab so I'll be ready for the Klee.

Cheers,

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone , just the usual stuff, reduced fertility, children with brain damage, liver damage. But it's still safe enough apparently for removing nail polish.


Wouldn't matter if I reduced my fertility now, my kids are the smartest kids I've ever met (of course I'd say that, but they are very bright), and I've already taken my liver to the edge and back again so it would probably laugh at acetone! Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That's a beautiful job Tom!
So colourful, so twisted, so Klee!
I'm feeling all choked up inside! Embarassed Confused Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Fantastic job, Tom! Congratulations! It looks great. I can't wait to hear it.
now get some rest...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

wow! It's beautiful. Congrats...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Tom,

Your Klee is really beautiful! I am jealous of the slide pots!

Now the fun begins!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I'm very happy to announce that an electro-music Klee was born today at 6.30pm GMT in Bristol, UK, with an almost perfect bill of health right from the off.


COOL !!! Cool Congrats to you Tom. Great Job Very Happy Very Happy Looks great !

I see you have an "8x2" pattern going on the oscillograph. You can see the CV amplifier slew rate !

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I used to work for a sign company silk-screening...well....signs. I sucked at it, but in my brief tenure there, I had the bright idea of stuffing a rag in my left back jeans pocket. A rag that had been soaked in acetone. Biggest frickin' blister I ever had in my life, that was.

Anyway, outstanding job, Tom. I've got my proto wired up and running. Everything worked pretty much right off the bat, except the lunkhead that drew the schematic put a diode in the wrong place, making the random function not so cool (easily fixed on the proto). The manual step function wasn't nearly as nice as it was on the BB (to say the least), and I've got mine working perfectly now, though the fix needs to be confirmed on the other protos. Thank God for prototypes and prototypers, especially the guys that are working on this project. They're all aces. We all want to deliver a project that works the first time, and every time you power it up.

Anyway, the main problem I have right now is calibrating it - it's no problem to calibrate, the problem is, the Klee just won't shut up. I want to record everything, or nearly everything. And, even if it's disconnected from controlling anything, it's so damn mesmerizing to watch. Seriously.

For me, it's like a whole new toy - having switches one can flip and change things instantly is soooo much nicer than grabbing a wire with the needle-nose and moving it. And the pots - I don't need a tweaker to adjust the pattern voltage! In fact, it's so new to me, I find myself thinking "Hey, it shouldn't be doing that", then I realize it is, because I'm switch-bit, which can happen easily when one didn't have switches before.....might help if I label the switches, too Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very Cool Scott!!!

The Creator embraces his Creation...and his heart is filled with Klee! Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh, and such a blast it is! I'm learning new things about it, too, with the increased accessibility to the functions. In particular, I totally overlooked a simple fact about the Bus 1 Load function. The gate bus and pattern switches are pretty clumsy to finagle on the breadboard, so I tended to leave the pattern "switches" in a fixed position, and use maybe two to three gate bus "switches", never more. I never really got the chance to fully explore the permutations of Bus 1 Load and Gate Bus Switches with a variety of patterns.

I'd always thought the Bus 1 Load switch would be handiest with patterns containing a limited number of bits. With on bit, it acts just as a "reset" switch would act on a standard sequencer. With more than one bit, it was a very short pattern before a bit would hit the Bus 1 and cause a reload. So, I thought. The simple fundamental rule I overlooked was that the pattern would reload only when gate bus 1 transitioned from low to high.

In other words, if Gate Bus 1 is already high when a stage set to Bus 1 is selected, the Gate Bus 1 Load switch will let it "pass on by". With a number of active bits, the predictablity of what will happen if you're flipping Gate Bus Switches while Bus 1 Load is on becomes as amorphous as the predictiblity of the other functions. I just spent a good hour or two playing with that function - it's a sort of side-alley of the Klee I didn't realize had so much potential....

Cheerio,
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Big cheers for Scott!

Supreme work!
(did the flu clear up?!! hehe)

I totally hadn't realised that Scott had been doing all the demo sounds before by swapping wires - totally amazing. And, yes, I can imagine the change when you get the sheer wonder tactility and play-full-ness of the finalized machine.

Yes, there's some bits to it that'll take some practice to control but oh my god its so damn exciting to play with! Clay indeed.

I really didn't get much time to delve into things yesterday (felt really spaced for much of the day - maybe due to massive wiring sessions the day before?!) - hope to get some time to work on it tonight. I know what Scott means about wanting to record everything --- this machine chucks out wonder constantly!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, I am happy to announce that I also got my Klee up and running last evening. Scott, I did confirm the double clocking issue using the manual step pushbutton. Interestingly enough, it's only the "B" group or LED's 9 through 16 that shift by two bit positions. The "A" register clocks with no problem. Externally clocking works fine with both registers "A" and "B" shifting normally.

I have clocked the Klee using both a PAIA LFO and a Blacet VCO using various waveforms and no compatability issues there. Clocking with a sine function at 0.2 HZ clocks the registers once per cycle which is good but probably would add the hysterisis anyways to the LM358 in case folks want to clock even slower.

I do have a small list of things I must fix. One thing I am experiencing is a strange dimming of all the LED's in group "A" when I flip the 8x2 switch OR when a certain pattern is in the "B" group ..... Have to look at that more critically tonight. The other problems seem minor like a couple of the parallel load positions for example.

So, it's getting there, just a couple of issues and I should be full up by the weekend Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

C Smile Smile L !

Does this means we can order our boards?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's the slider panel finished.


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With a 3mm spacer each side, they sit just right with a Behringer slider knob. (They'd be fairly standard/easy to get similar yeah?) There's space there for the main front panel to sit between. Cool

BTW, I assume some builders out there might benefit from or be inspired by my progress photos, but if any feel they are taking up space or are too obvious, just let me know and I'll put them in a separate thread. Smile


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Don't stop, Andy. At least for me, this is very edumacational.


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It's getting very close. First of all, the plan is to establish that all four of the protos operate consistently. After that, any necessary changes will be incorporated into the PCBs, and they'll be ordered. When they're ready for delivery, I'll send out the PMs to all of the Klee reservists, and they can be purchased through the electro-music store.


Hey Tom - have you tried clocking the Klee at audio rates yet? My LFOs go to around 1 kHz, give or take, so I played with that a while last night. Give it a shot and flip the gate bus switches, pattern switches, gate bus 1 load, mode switches, slew, etc. Flippin wild!

This is when controlling a voice or voices at low audio rates. Above a certain frequency (well over 1 kHz IIRC), the gate bus will no longer produce gates or triggers (due to the time constants used to produce the signals) but the voltage outputs will still track right on up to around 44 kHz (at least they did on the BB - I've yet to try *that* on the proto). At that point, the voltage outputs become the audio signal. Flip the same switches again - it gets pretty freakshow.

When you get the diode put in the right spot for the random function (fixing my schematical screw-up), use that at audio frequencies - at the very high frequencies, when you're using the voltage outputs as the audio signal, the random input signal becomes bit-crushed - you can hear it on the audio signal! A constant noise signal into the random input will get sort of that swept digital noise sound as you raise and lower the high frequency clock.

Bill, when you're chasing down the Register A thing, if you need to compare signals, I can take a look at what's going on on mine.

Cheerio,
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Well I vote to keep them here, it is the build thread after all, and it has inspired me to go with a slider model when the time comes, and I think you guys (big Robert De Niro smile here) are doing all of us a real service, by taking the time to post your progress.
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With a 3mm spacer each side, they sit just right with a Behringer slider knob. (They'd be fairly standard/easy to get similar yeah?) There's space there for the main front panel to sit between.

BTW, I assume some builders out there might benefit from or be inspired by my progress photos, but if any feel they are taking up space or are too obvious, just let me know and I'll put them in a separate thread.


I say keep the photos !! As SLO says, this IS the build thread right Very Happy Very Happy Question Question Besides, the pictures tell the whole story of how to mount sliders. I like it ! The sliders are popular so they are very pertinent to the thread so keep the pictures coming Andy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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OK cool !! I have the dimming problem and a few others. Three parallel load inputs are not working and always come up ON. That should be an easy one. The GATE BUS 1 seems not to be working completely. Also, the 16x1 mode seems to be incorrect and causes group "A" loading when certain patterns are shifted through. Sounds like some errors in wiring and/or a bad IC or two. Some of the chips in the board have been hanging around for years in my parts bin so I would not discount them as being suspect.

Well, a troubleshooting session is in order tonight .... Very Happy having fun though !!

Once I get the "bullshit" bugs worked out, I can pump in the Randomize circuit change. I will take a look at the double clocking problem but as you stated, you have a fix that seems to work, I just want to understand it. I pringted out the schemo for that as well ....

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Man, I just can't wait. More stuff to buy!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's the finished slider plate.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
BTW, I assume some builders out there might benefit from or be inspired by my progress photos, but if any feel they are taking up space or are too obvious, just let me know and I'll put them in a separate thread. Smile


Please keep it up. I love seeing how people build things, since I am so poor at it.
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frijitz wrote:
Please keep it up. I love seeing how people build things, since I am so poor at it.


Well, we all have our strengths and weaknesses Ian. I happen to know that you are pretty damn good at what you do best. Metal work has been fairly instinctive for me. Strange, my father was a carpenter. It does take practice, and the ability to be content with an occasional fuckup.
BTW I don't have a drill press. This has all been done with a one speed hand drill. Of course the right bits, and a well practiced method help a lot. I do think it's important to show others what is possible though. You can get good results on a budget. And you can get great results if you keep at it! Very Happy

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