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mother misty
Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Ghent / Belgium
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:11 am Post subject:
Synthesizing (Open) hihats Subject description: tips, tricks? Share them here! |
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Hi all,
I'm building a new drumpatch but I would like to use a different approach
for the open hihats. I mostly use some kind of filtered noise to make them but
I'm not satisfied with the results. It just sounds like... filtered noise
I've searched the archives but I could only find Sheridan's "hihat machine"
which is great but rather DSP-expensive and hard to implement in a patch.
Is there anyone who has got some hihats tips/tricks/examples?
I would appreciate it if you could share them here.
Thanks!
misty. |
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elektro80
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Wout Blommers
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:28 am Post subject:
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I mostly I use the NordLead2 HiHat in an Open/Close configuration. Closed is created by holding the key and Open is done by a quick release on the key.
I post a picture of the settings.
As you see, there is no LFO, just the ModEnv A=0, D=14 and A=104, set to the FM.
There is no Noise used, just FM 'noise' done by a Pulse wave to the Triangle wave at Osc1. The Modulator is two octaves higher then the Carrier. Modulator has NO keyboard tracking.
Use a mixer to the FM fed by the ModEnv and Osc2.
The Open/Close trick is done by a zero Sustain.
The Filter is of course the 24 dB NordFilter
In the sound example the second sound is two keys together, which gives a nice detuned HiHat.
The SysEx file is the NordLead2 file.
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dasz
Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1644 Location: victoria, canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:31 am Post subject:
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a. use a sample-rate/bit reducer module and set it to 11kHz and 8 bit. that gives you some nice character.
b. an eq module could also help here (sweepable).
c. also apply a shaper which is modulated with a decay env.
do this before your amp env tho
Let me know if this helps.
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Wout Blommers
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ian-s
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mother misty
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:35 am Post subject:
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g2ian wrote: | I find it tempting to always use the metallic noise oscillator. But a 'roll your own' can have a different character so it is nice for a change.
The 808 style six squares + HPF (18-30dB) is a good starting point, you can use square wave LFO's to lower dsp load.
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One of the reasons I never really bothered with six pulses + HPF is because it uses alot of DSP-power.
You need 6 shape oscs and shape osc's are DSP expensive. But I discovered that's not the case when you select the pulse waveform.
Infact it uses only 2.7% whiile a LFO uses 4.7%!
A LFO could probably use less, but there's no dedicated LfoShpB module
I like the flavour of your hihat btw g2ian!
To the others: thanks for the tips!
I've you have more tips/tricks, let them come!
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ian-s
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ian-s
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject:
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Just did the Boss DR110 hats here |
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mother misty
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:31 am Post subject:
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Thanks G2ian!
One more question I'm afraid
Is there's some kind of logic for the oscillators frequency or do you just tune them untill they sound good?
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ian-s
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:40 am Post subject:
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The CR8000 and DR110 service manuals show the frequencies (or periods in ms) for each of the 6 or 4 oscillators.
The DR110 manual claims that the frequencies are chosen from analysis of real cymbal. The CR8000 manual simply says "frequency ratios between adjacent two; should be in 1.1 - 1.4 steps. Note that two oscillators generating on too close frequency will sound beating cymbal" |
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