Cliff k1

[demian]

Hi,

I want to start up a production for Cliff K1 Knobs.

-edit-

This is not going to happen anymore, i couldn't find enough people to make this groupbuy happen.
I am sorry for those who were interested.

Regards,

demian

[v-un-v]

[demian]

Hi,

It doesn't make any sense to argue about prices, these knobs are not available anymore, i am about to startup a completely new production off this knob's in a other factory, this has nothing to do with production and availability in the past and this will be real Cliff K1 knobs and no 'cheap' clones which you rarely can find for about $2

It is this, or nothing.

[Don Erskine]

Back in the '70s there were different versions of this knob - I'm not sure if they were all from Cliff, or clones, but they were the same design.

Some had satin aluminium caps (like on the VCS-3), some had a chrome finish. The aluminium caps were sometimes colored.

Some types were push-on, others had a grub screw.

I think you need to make clear exactly what you intend to have made.

What do EMS use now? (I think they are still going and still make VCS-3s).

I'd be far more interested in affordable miniature chickenhead knobs (smaller than the 32mm long ones) in any colours other than black and white!

Correction - I just noticed you state they will be the satin finish.

[v-un-v]

[Don Erskine]

Not sure what demian is having the knobs made for... for all I know, he is restoring an original instrument, rather than cloning one.

If I were cloning a classic instrument, I'd not be able to resist customising it, I wouldn't be obsessive about making an exact replica, especially if originals are still available.

I seem to recall these knobs were on sale only a couple of years ago, didn't Maplin sell them?

As you say, the knobs were 'budget'. The metal caps regularly fell off. That's why I could afford them when I was a student, and why I now have a box of them somewhere .

Unfortunately they are in storage in a container, I can't get at them for the moment.

[v-un-v]

I DO see the attraction that a synthi would bring.....





I'd love a Synthi, but like a decent car, I'd rather save up for the real thing!

[TekniK]

[v-un-v]

[demian]

[TekniK]

[demian]

[janvanvolt]

I would be in for a set of 33

[demian]

Thank you, i'll send you a pm.

I also have received some examples from Cliff of the FC1616 (or K1) knobs, i'll post an image later this week.

[v-un-v]

[demian]

Hi,

Can you please stop trolling in this thread since you are not interested, your getting a bit annoying now.

Here is what i received from Cliff.

People who are interested in some knobs, let me know via a pm on the forum.



It is possible for me to lower the price a bit, but then i have to sell more than the mentioned 1000 knobs in advance, but i'll consider this, so, again, if you have interest, pm me with your email address and i will contact you.

I also have some original EMS panel meters for sale, you can find information in this thread :

http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-44253.html

[v-un-v]

[demian]

It makes again absolutely no sense what you say, there is no reason to contact Robin Wood about this production-run, it is really fine with me you give credit to Robin Wood and he deserve it, but why don't you let him speak for himself.
I assume he will find out sooner or later anyway, but why don't you inform him, than he can contact me, since you are so eager on it.

I have asked Robin for permission to build a Synthi clone, i never had any response on that, i don't see any reason to contact Robin about these knobs and also don't know what he could say about it.

You can also consider the fact that there are people wanting these knobs NOT for making a Synthi clone but also for restoring a Synthi and some people want these knobs for other projects.

There is absolutely nothing against making these knobs except for some people who dislike the idea that they could be be used on a Synthi clone eventually, but if some people want to make a Synthi clone, they also can do it without these knobs, not having made these knobs will not prevent anyone of making a clone, or do you think otherwise?

Unfortunately, i cannot change that idea, i only wanted to buy a few of these knobs my self in the first place, but that is just not possible.

It also doesn't make any sense NOT to name these knobs as Original Cliff Knobs for EMS Synthi etc.. (i never said clone in my startpost, did i? ) because i need at least interest for 1000 pieces before there will be any production, if i name these knobs just as Cliff K1 knobs, it would't get the attention as it is getting now.

For the rest, if what i am doing here is illegal, i assume this thread will be deleted by a moderator, and if it's not, i assume that i may continue selling these knobs.

Thank you.

[demian]

There is some real interest in these knobs but still not enough to start with production, so, i am going to lower the price.

That will also mean i have to sell more than 1000 knobs in advance, so their is some patience involved.

2,90 euro a piece including VAT

No discount unless you have interest in a least 250 knobs.

[v-un-v]

[demian]

I really don't understand your sarcastic undertone in all your posts, but it looks like you enjoy it a lot to respond in this thread.

[demian]

[v-un-v]

[2thick4uni]

Having had many of my (not synth or even electronics related) designs copied and counterfeited over a period of 10 years or so and seeing my company and myself personally spend over £200,000 in legal fees trying to protect our copyright and design rights I'd like to point out a few things I learnt along the way.

As I understand it under UK law there is absolutely nothing illegal about producing your own exact clone of anything, whether it be a VCS3, a Rolex watch or an Intel i7 processor, nor is it a crime to sell parts to others to build their own clones / copies as long as they are for their own use and not for profit. The clone must NEVER be sold however, even at a loss, as that constitutes counterfeiting or passing off and is a crime. I don't see a problem with with this, I have built clones of synths myself and marvel at the talent of others that have done the same, including our very own JH who has improved many original designs way beyond their original functionality. It is an excellent way to learn all about the original design and you develop a repect for the designer and his/her solutions. I would encourage anyone to build a clone, either an absolutely exact copy or an improved version - however we must draw the line very clearly; clones must NEVER be sold, given away, swapped or leave the ownership of the builder; nor should any copyrighted material or intellectual propery be distributed unless they are in the public domain or permission has been given by the owner of the IP rights.

I don't see a problem with selling Cliff K1 knobs, I'd love to buy some to build my own clone but have neither the funds or time. I would however most strongly condemn anyone selling VCS3 or Synthi clones that used them.

So I'd like to suggest that the forum guidelines on this are that building clones is ok and can be encouraged, selling or otherwise disposing of them is totally unacceptable and should result in the strongest of response including banning all people concerned from the forum and passing all information to the relevant companies and assisting with prosecution of the people concerned. The MidiBox forum works in this fashion, anyone selling a midibox without the consent of Thorsen (ip rights holder) becomes persona non grata on the forum.

Just my thoughts on how to handle this issue; feel free to disagree, flame, humiliate, nod sagely or ignore

Allan

[Don Erskine]