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| GovernorSilver wrote: | | The keys in the pic rule out any desktop/module only, non-keyboard possibility ... |
Those keys belong to a NordLead2(X), for sure. But that's not the instrument under the cloth.
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I agree with Wout, the button layout is exactly the same.
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I see...
In my crystal ball...
It's 10 years now the NL2 was released. I say it's an anniversary limited edition with reversed key colors... They can't re-release the NordLead1  It's maybe the NordLead2A.
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| dorremifasol wrote: |
Maybe I should check some of the older samplers, perhaps there is one that meets my requirements for a surprisingly low price 
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I think EMU always had a very "synthesis-centric" approach to their samplers and personally I quite like the EMU sound. Some of the later/higher end EMU's have very spectacular filters and modulation options. I doubt you'll find one of those in the 100bucks range but the hardware sampler market keeps plummeting...
Especially if you use a hardware mixer and outboard I think hardware samplers still make a lot of sense in that they can save a lot of channels on your soundcard, especially if you want to mix your drums in hardware.
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | I see...
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I'm gonna guess it's the Wave combined into the stage or organ....as the "official" replacement for the mellotron? Maybe it's a vst plugin |
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| Kassen wrote: | | I think EMU always had a very "synthesis-centric" approach to their samplers and personally I quite like the EMU sound. Some of the later/higher end EMU's have very spectacular filters and modulation options. I doubt you'll find one of those in the 100bucks range but the hardware sampler market keeps plummeting... |
Thanks for the suggestion Kassen, I'll search for some info and sounds of emu samplers.
I never took that company in mind, perhaps because they were bought by Creative Labs and I kinda hate them
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | GovernorSilver wrote: | | The keys in the pic rule out any desktop/module only, non-keyboard possibility ... |
Those keys belong to a NordLead2(X), for sure. But that's not the instrument under the cloth.
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So they're trying to confuse us by putting a pic of an existing (NOT new) keyboard next to something covered in cloth.
That something covered in cloth looks too large to be a desktop unit.
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| GovernorSilver wrote: | | Wout Blommers wrote: | | GovernorSilver wrote: | | The keys in the pic rule out any desktop/module only, non-keyboard possibility ... |
Those keys belong to a NordLead2(X), for sure. But that's not the instrument under the cloth.
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So they're trying to confuse us by putting a pic of an existing (NOT new) keyboard next to something covered in cloth.
That something covered in cloth looks too large to be a desktop unit. |
It could be more than one thing, though... or a red herring. |
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| cebec wrote: | | GovernorSilver wrote: | | Wout Blommers wrote: | | GovernorSilver wrote: | | The keys in the pic rule out any desktop/module only, non-keyboard possibility ... |
Those keys belong to a NordLead2(X), for sure. But that's not the instrument under the cloth.
Wout |
So they're trying to confuse us by putting a pic of an existing (NOT new) keyboard next to something covered in cloth.
That something covered in cloth looks too large to be a desktop unit. |
It could be more than one thing, though... or a red herring. |
Don't be shy... post your prediction - it's all in good fun.
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Clavia's homepage has been updated:
| Quote: | | But will there be any news, I hear you scream?! Well, you'll have to wait a bit. Some time during the trade show Thursday, we expect a minor update on this website.... |
I like the fact that they are at booth C64 maybe a sign?
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| dorremifasol wrote: |
I never took that company in mind, perhaps because they were bought by Creative Labs and I kinda hate them |
He he he, but that would be a mistake. Their hardware from way before this acquisition is really good stuff, very good sound and excellent build quality, very serious stuff with knobs that feel good to touch and so on.
One thing I like about my EMU sampler is that it's very much set up for people who want to actually sample themselves instead of just buying libraries. I realise that's a different market from the Wave which seems very much aimed at Clavia providing high quality downloads... BUT this caries over in how you deal with the settings. Once you get into it it's fast.
Another thing, probably more interesting to you, is their "Z-plane filters", the idea there is that the filters are build up out of small and identical building blocks that get their character from certain (internal) parameters. So far so good.... but the trick is that this means you can morph from one filter-type into another... and this isn't just about LPF to BPF either, they have filters that emulate the resonance of the body of acoustical instruments as well. I'd still like to have one of those.
If you are after a 16 part multi-timbral sampler to use as a sort of wavetable-based synth for custom wavetables you could do far worse then looking into those, especially considering the collapse of the hardware sampler market.
Another issue with hardware samplers is that many people (well, me....) like to mix percussion on a analogue desk which eats soundcard channels. So; if you have a few hardware samplers with a nice crunchy sound and their own series of outputs you have a lot more options open.
Despite the Creative link, BTW, the "m" versions of the EMU cards sound really good, I just wouldn't bet on those MIDI keyboards.
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| Kassen wrote: | | dorremifasol wrote: |
Maybe I should check some of the older samplers, perhaps there is one that meets my requirements for a surprisingly low price
Thanks for the tip! |
I think EMU always had a very "synthesis-centric" approach to their samplers and personally I quite like the EMU sound. Some of the later/higher end EMU's have very spectacular filters and modulation options. I doubt you'll find one of those in the 100bucks range but the hardware sampler market keeps plummeting...
Especially if you use a hardware mixer and outboard I think hardware samplers still make a lot of sense in that they can save a lot of channels on your soundcard, especially if you want to mix your drums in hardware. |
Gotta agree with you here. I couldn't survive without my E4XT filters.
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | I see...
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It's 10 years now the NL2 was released. I say it's an anniversary limited edition with reversed key colors... They can't re-release the NordLead1 It's maybe the NordLead2A.
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Wout, I think you have an inside source. Spill the beans !
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| Drone wrote: | | Wout Blommers wrote: | I see...
In my crystal ball...
It's 10 years now the NL2 was released. I say it's an anniversary limited edition with reversed key colors... They can't re-release the NordLead1 It's maybe the NordLead2A.
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Wout, I think you have an inside source. Spill the beans ! |
The same sources we all have, really! Clavia isn't a woman (sorry girls...) who can assure you; "Don't spread the word", meaning: "Please, tell everybody we both know and the rest too."  If Stockholm wants to keep a secret, they keep it a secret, only some testers involved and some distributors who are needed to produce the product and create a market for it, will be trusted. But sometimes there are some slips of the tongue, if you follow them close enough...
A strange thing to me is those two pictures are only published on gearjunkies and NOT on their own site; just an announcement there, so it could be a lot of photoshopping or something else...
The reversed keyboard NordLead2X could be an anniversary release (1998 - 2008), because in a way it still is the Clavia synth, which gave them their position on the market. I will be surprized if it isn't.
The 'cloth' picture shows a large size instrument, about 88 keys I think, so another spin-off from the Stage could be the case: a new live performance instrument, an 'only piano sound' keyboard, special released for the USA market, where the Stage and C1 are doing well, although why didn't they announced it at NAMM, like the C1?
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | Drone wrote: | | Wout Blommers wrote: | I see...
In my crystal ball...
It's 10 years now the NL2 was released. I say it's an anniversary limited edition with reversed key colors... They can't re-release the NordLead1 It's maybe the NordLead2A.
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Wout, I think you have an inside source. Spill the beans ! |
The same sources we all have, really! Clavia isn't a woman (sorry girls...) who can assure you; "Don't spread the word", meaning: "Please, tell everybody we both know and the rest too." If Stockholm wants to keep a secret, they keep it a secret, only some testers involved and some distributors who are needed to produce the product and create a market for it, will be trusted. But sometimes there are some slips of the tongue, if you follow them close enough...
A strange thing to me is those two pictures are only published on gearjunkies and NOT on their own site; just an announcement there, so it could be a lot of photoshopping or something else...
The reversed keyboard NordLead2X could be an anniversary release (1998 - 2008), because in a way it still is the Clavia synth, which gave them their position on the market. I will be surprized if it isn't.
The 'cloth' picture shows a large size instrument, about 88 keys I think, so another spin-off from the Stage could be the case: a new live performance instrument, an 'only piano sound' keyboard, special released for the USA market, where the Stage and C1 are doing well, although why didn't they announced it at NAMM, like the C1?
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I think this is an ultra-competitive market they're dealing with so the protection of these trade secrets are important in bringing new technologies & ideas first to market.
The wave in a way is almost reverse thinking, going back to the more flexible synth/sampler combinations of the past.
Regarding the pictures, they do look photo-chopped. It certainly got our attention so I guess it has served its purpose. LoL
I sincerely hope they would consider a modular in the future closer to the original rack with additional on-board effects & usb or even firewire integration. Imo, the modular power & flexibility can't be beaten
for the money. Even an analogue hybrid would be brilliant. Imagine the power of a virtual modular with routing options to integrated hardware like real oscillators & filters. -Something similar to the stromberg idea.
Whatever is released, it should be interesting.
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BTW:
it's annoying' that techno & soundesign artists love Clavia
and it's instruments like no one's instruments or so
But Clavia don"t like techno and soundesign artists that much
and like keyboard players
2008:
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| Neon Sega wrote: | BTW:
it's annoying' that techno & soundesign artists love Clavia
and it's instruments like no one's instruments or so
But Clavia don"t like techno and soundesign artists that much
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Sorry?
Why should an instrument company have any reason to dislike its customers?
Clavia have a deservedly high reputation for the quality of their synths.
For me the G2, G1, Lead 1 - 2 - 3 and Wave are all very capable techno units. I'm sure even the Nord Stage in all its not designed for techno glory could be used for "Techno" sounds.
The Roland TB303 was not designed as a techno box, and it has become one of the signature sounds of "Techno".
I use the term "Techno" loosely as I'm sure many people have differing interpretations of what "Techno" happens to be.
What came first Techno or Synth?
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Why should an instrument company have any reason to dislike its customers?
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I don't know actually. maybe some of its customers seemed more customers from Clavia's place?
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Clavia have a deservedly high reputation for the quality of their synths.
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For me the G2, G1, Lead 1 - 2 - 3 and Wave are all very capable techno units. I'm sure even the Nord Stage in all its not designed for techno glory could be used for "Techno" sounds.
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Yes, that's wright but
may be some portable 19" x 8U or so tabletop-form-factor
800% DSP-power 8in+8out 8Gb flash memory equipped
G2+Wave or G3 with a lot of knobs/buttons/sliders/rotaries/displays bells/whistles etc. would be a little bit more suitable
for 2008 live techno/electronic/sound design scene,
then double 88 key hammeraction living room oak sided something
with perfect red chair-in-a-pack
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Sorry for the out of topic...
This one goes for Kassen. I have the chance of buying an EMU 6400 Ultra (with SCSI and 72mb of RAM) for 300€, is it a good price?
I suppose that I will be able to add a Card reader or even an USB reader to the SCSI port?
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| dorremifasol wrote: | Sorry for the out of topic...
This one goes for Kassen. I have the chance of buying an EMU 6400 Ultra (with SCSI and 72mb of RAM) for 300€, is it a good price?
I suppose that I will be able to add a Card reader or even an USB reader to the SCSI port? |
I'm not sure if it's a good price compared to what those normally go for (sounds reasonable to me) but I think that's a good price compared to what may instruments cost and what this will get you for sure.
You may want to look at this site;
http://www.emusonacid.co.uk/
On there I did a little looking for you and came up with this;
http://www.scsiforsamplers.com/prodlist.asp?emu
Nice URL, eh? :¬)
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Re; Techno.
I've seen the Lead1&2 racks on so many techno stages.... it's (or at least used to be) very much standard equipment. With a Amiga500 or MPC to drive the MIDI and a multi-FX you're in business, tech-rider in a mixer and you can travel quite lightly as well. Legowelt&Orgue electronique used to gig like that weekly for what seems like centuries.
I used to play with a NM Rack and a DP/2, using the DP/2 on out 3&4, patched back into the ins and controlled over MIDI for delay-sinc and tweaking. No need for even a mixer or sequencer (but you better play minimal techno and drones.... :¬) )
It's mainly the G2 with it's lack of a compact tabletop model where things went wrong. It's big so it eats suitcase and table-space. That need not be a huge issue, a MPC is big as well and people travel with that too but the difference is that the whole surface of the a MPC is 100% useful controls for this contexts and it's nowhere near as fragile. I know you could do X and you could do Y... but you're not going to on a weekly basis with a lot of travelling with a G2 keyboard.
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Kassen, thank you for finding that scsiforsamplers site and the other one. I coudn't find the E64000 manuals for myself, but that site has them all. 
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The Acid one is good, it's basically providing what EMU can't anymore because of the Creative thing. Great name as well :¬)
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From Clavia.com
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Frankfurt is only a few hours away and we've just received news from the developer cage that we will be able to preview some new Nord Stage sounds at the booth - one example will be a grand piano that has been meticolusly [<-TYPO!!!] recorded with several velocity layers.
We will also have a preview of a Clavia first - an Italian harpsichord that has been recorded at the Swedish Radio's state of the art studios. More of these wonderful instruments will appear in a Nord Stage near you later this year - there is a Flemish and also a French harpsichord in the development pipeline. |
Interesting, Clavia has put some news even before the Messe even starts. Interesting to see the sense of humor again.
The news itself? Not so interesting to me at least. I hope our electro-music reps will get some real juice out of them. Good luck!
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What came first Techno or Synth?
Have Fun! |
good question... when we see the position synthentic soundsources have in actuall music productions in relation to how this was in the 80´s, you might think that techno was first... at least it was the music that emerged when formerly incredible expensiv synths and drummachines hit the pawnshops and therefor the street... and there in the street synthezisers met lots of people that actually cant play the keyboard..therfore sequencers got really popular...and sequencer based music...
in this respect clavia isnt especially techno friendly... the dont really have it with sequencers..even theire apregiators are a bad kole when you compare it to 80´synths like a prophet VS for example...
so very very basic in the sequencer department..rather a keyboard than a sequnced unit...same applys to the nord modulars... but of cause ther its possible to patch around that limitations with quite good but time intense results... |
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