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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:33 am    Post subject: Uncle Krunkus' lyrics
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Terror Form Me

If you had the chance to live for all time,
would you share it round slowly, or burn in your prime?
A million hellos and a million goodbyes.
Could you see your way clearly, for the tears in your eyes?
If you could become the king of your world,
would you throw it away, for the hand of your girl?
Or share in her life and then say goodbye?
Had you wasted your time, but maybe you'd find someone new.

I see the mirror falling,
I hear the darkness calling, calling my name.
I rush to fill my lungs up,
I wish to drink from your cup, is it in vain?
I feel the need for sleep,
I want to rest,
I'll put the light out,…….

But I'm not prepared to die.
No, I'm not prepared to die.
I'm not prepared to die.

Now I'll understand if you don't take my hand,
maybe god won't allow you to share in my plan,
or bathe in a flood of warm human blood,
that's the part that I'm not looking forward to.
Life has a price, if you cheat you'll pay twice.
It's so desperately lonely to watch your friends die,
but I want to see what still lies ahead of me,
so I'll weep for your souls while I journey off to the stars.

I see the mirror falling,
I hear the darkness calling, calling my name.
I rush to fill my lungs up,
I wish to drink from your cup, is it in vain?
I feel the need for sleep,
I want to rest,
I'll put the light out,……

But I'm not prepared to die.
I can look you in the eye,
and say I'm not prepared to die.
No, I'm not prepared to die.
I'm not prepared to die.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice Andy, nice!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very cool. Keep it up.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Uncle Krunkus' lyrics
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Constructive criticism inbound...


A few things I've noticed. Your lyric switches rhyme sheme in the second verse.
example...

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Terror Form Me

If you had the chance to live for all time, (A)
would you share it round slowly, or burn in your prime? (A)
A million hellos and a million goodbyes. (B)
Could you see your way clearly, for the tears in your eyes? (B)
If you could become the king of your world, (C)
would you throw it away, for the hand of your girl? (C)
Or share in her life and then say goodbye? (D)
Had you wasted your time, but maybe you'd find someone new. (Internal near rhyme to D) (E)

I see the mirror falling, (F)
I hear the darkness calling, calling my name. (F) internal (G)
I rush to fill my lungs up, (H)
I wish to drink from your cup, is it in vain? (H) internal (G)
I feel the need for sleep, (I)
I want to rest, (J)
I'll put the light out,……. (K)

But I'm not prepared to die. (L)
No, I'm not prepared to die. (L)
I'm not prepared to die. (L)

Now I'll understand if you don't take my hand, (M)
maybe god won't allow you to share in my plan, (M)
or bathe in a flood of warm human blood, (N) internal (N) Broken scheme
that's the part that I'm not looking forward to. (O)
Life has a price, if you cheat you'll pay twice. (P) internal (P)
It's so desperately lonely to watch your friends die, (L) near rhyme to P
but I want to see what still lies ahead of me, (R)
so I'll weep for your souls while I journey off to the stars. (S)

I see the mirror falling, (F)
I hear the darkness calling, calling my name. (F) internal (G)
I rush to fill my lungs up, (H)
I wish to drink from your cup, is it in vain? (H) internal (G)
I feel the need for sleep, (I)
I want to rest, (J)
I'll put the light out,……. (K)


But I'm not prepared to die. (L)
I can look you in the eye, (L)
and say I'm not prepared to die. (L)
No, I'm not prepared to die. (L)
I'm not prepared to die. (L)



This has a tendency to throw people off the track as they listen. One of the hallmarks of most successful lyrics is repetetive patterns, that, once established, allows the lisstener to go on autopilot and bee-bop along so to speak.


Another thing that I've picked up in reading about lyric structures is the focus. Lyrics are a quick little trip to a place that we like people to take with us. If we don't share the focal point and drive it home, we tend to lose their interest. Generally, the Chorus is expected to be that focal point. It is where we want them to land and come back to and repeat...It's the point we are trying to make.

So...often song lyrics will follow structure such as

verse
chorus
verse
chorus
bridge
chorus

or

verse
verse
chorus
verse
verse
chorus
bridge
chorus

etc.

Try to keep the same repetetive footsteps for them to follow and bring them back to the chorus again.

Not all lyrics have to follow this kind of rule, but it does help to have these familiarities built into the frame of the piece.

Hope this helps. It is by no means gospel. And...who am I?
Just a couple pennies worth.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I also wanted to say that I like internal rhyme. and am learning more and more the use of near rhyme in verses. It is easy to fall into the trap of the same old pairings or root word rhymes. creative uise of near rhyme is an art. finding new ones or rarely used ones is as well.

I don't know how long you've been writing, and this is only one example, but it has a lot of good things going for it.

It does feel a little unfinished, but in the end, that's purely your call.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It wasn't really a concious decision to break it up around the mentioning of the blood, but one which I like the effect of, as it gives it a certain gravity of realising what the situation will entail.
I generally like to break up the "go on autopilot and bee-bop along" effect wherever possible, as my music is very unimprovisational. Even though I tend to write music which is quite "groovy" I then temper that with my general creative rule, which is that there are no rules. Laughing
My favourite music is generally something which lulls into a sense of melody and rhythm and then flies off in a completely unrelated direction. Returning later to the comfort of the original idea, yet with a sense that you don't know what's coming next.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very good. A concious decision to create the effects you want is the place of the artist. I was merely making observations, in no way trying to put down your work.

There are a lot of things about the lyric I like, and I do appreciate your sharing it with us.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BTW,
Thanks for the very constructive criticism Danno, I do appreciate it.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's another one. You can hear the completed track by clicking on the audio files link in my avatar.

Bliss

Hush now my love,
see the stars up above,
they were placed there for you and for me.
When we were mist,
did the same stars exist?
or does life only touch what we see?

Love me, take all I can give.
Sing with me now while we live.
When we are gone,
will our love linger on?
or will all that we've done fall like sand
through our hands?

Restful I sleep
in your arms here to keep
all my darkness and demons at bay.
And when I wake,
it's your love I will take,
with me heartfelt through all of my days.

Show me the warmth of your smile.
Sit here with me for a while.
When we have flown
will our spirits have grown
to embrace in the space in between
all that's been.

Hold me please don't let me go.
Once I was blind now I know.
This day we share
is so precious and rare,
and the one thing I care not to miss
is your kiss.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very nice one there. It flows well, and its cadence enhances the feeling of the words.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Lyrics writing strategies Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Danno Gee Ray wrote:
A few things I've noticed. Your lyric switches rhyme sheme in the second verse.


It does. A little trick I use to keep consistent metrum: Once I write a section (like a verse) I use it as a template for the next verse, writing the each line of the first verse, then writing the next verse in the same metrum, either below or after the corresponding lines of the first verse.

xxxxxx

An example comparing these:

If you had the chance to live for all time, (A)
would you share it round slowly, or burn in your prime? (A)
A million hellos and a million goodbyes. (B)
Could you see your way clearly, for the tears in your eyes? (B)
If you could become the king of your world, (C)
would you throw it away, for the hand of your girl? (C)
Or share in her life and then say goodbye? (D)
Had you wasted your time, but maybe you'd find someone new. (Internal near rhyme to D) (E)


Now I'll understand if you don't take my hand, (M)
maybe god won't allow you to share in my plan, (M)
or bathe in a flood of warm human blood, (N) internal (N) Broken scheme
that's the part that I'm not looking forward to. (O)
Life has a price, if you cheat you'll pay twice. (P) internal (P)
It's so desperately lonely to watch your friends die, (L) near rhyme to P
but I want to see what still lies ahead of me, (R)
so I'll weep for your souls while I journey off to the stars. (S)

xxx

Putting lines from each verse together to check metrum:

If you had the chance to live for all time,
Now I'll understand if you don't take my hand,

*These may seem to have different length, but words can be paused, so important syllables fall on a strong count, thus: '=accent

If you 'had the 'chance to 'live for all 'time,
Now I'll 'under- 'stand if you 'don't take my 'hand,

*also next lines fit just fine:

would you share it round slowly, or burn in your prime?
maybe god won't allow you to share in my plan,

A million hellos and a million goodbyes.
or bathe in a flood of warm human blood,

*but next:

Could you see your way clearly, for the tears in your eyes? * " for the" needs to be rushed too much
that's the part that I'm not looking forward to. * Now here we clearly can see an incompatible line

*A solution could be:

Could you see your way clearly through tears in your eyes?
It's a thing ïm not looking forward to do


If you could become the king of your world,
Life has a price, if you cheat you'll pay twice.

would you throw it away, for the hand of your girl?
It's so desperately lonely to watch your friends die,


Or share in her life and then say goodbye?
but I want to see what still lies ahead of me

* IMHO "want" and "see" aren't very expressive words to place on an accented place in the line. Also , this line is too long. I'd skip the "of me"
* but I still want to see what waits up ahead


Had you wasted your time, but maybe you'd find someone new. * too long
so I'll weep for your souls while I journey off to the stars. * too long

*suggestion:
* Did you waste your time, need to find someone new
* So I'll weep for your souls while I journey to the stars



Next subject:

Danno wrote:
If we don't share the focal point and drive it home, we tend to lose their interest.

So, the song starts, about what if we'd live forever? And the Chorus says: I'm not prepared to die. Totally on topic.

But then, what if I would be king of my world? Another topic, not followed up or supported by the rest of the song.

When writing lyrics first I write just anything. (Or rather, my friend mumbles while playing, I write and we edit later)

Then I wonder : what's the song about?

In this case: "what if I live for ever?"

Will I still commit to relationships knowing I'll loose my beloved and have to go on?
Will I learn everything there is to know? Including being happy? Will I loose all desires that prevent me being happy? What do I want to live for next? Will I want to die eventually?

You've covered some of these subjects, then, in the bridge you take a step back from your own mind, you realise you do not have eternal life:

I see the mirror falling, (F)
I hear the darkness calling, calling my name

and you return to the Chorus:

"I'm not prepared to die."

So, apart from previous remarks, I think the song has good structure.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That said,

There's great songs with lyrics that don't rhyme, have no metrum, no meaning, whatever.

Do we need meaning and/or logic?

Now I'll understand if you don't take my hand,
maybe god won't allow you to share in my plan,
or bathe in a flood of warm human blood,
that's the part that I'm not looking forward to.

Ah, love rejected, a subject of a thousand more songs. Meaning and logic. God won't allow you to bathe in a flood of human blood? He won't bathe in a flood of human blood himself?

Lyrics need no logic. Strong lines with nonsense is ok. Sex, Lilacs, and the Ever Streaming Flow of Farts could do nicely in the right context. (well, maybe not the farts Smile )

But when using "normal idiom" I think logic and meaning are more important.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think a lot of the timing would be clearer if I can finish it and let you hear how it's supposed to be sung. It's quite hard to impart a sense of the timing in text, and I now know it reads differently to my intent. Still,... the inherent timing of the syllables as presented back up all the points you've made, and that suggests other details I hadn't even thought of. Thanks for that.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Gees,
at this rate I'm gonna have to actually record the vocals so you can hear how the timing goes! Shocked

So I s'pose this thread is doing what I wanted it to do! Wink Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I would certainly welcome an Unkle Krunkus recording!

One can use lyrics in combination with music in many ways. You can use words only as a rythmical instrument with nonsensical meaning or rhyme. You can use music as nothing more than a backing track - an excuse to read your poetry. There are a gazillion paths between these two extremes.

I personally find it hard to find rules about what is right and wrong in that jungle. But I enjoy reading your lyrics anyway! I've liked the stuff you do, Danno (though I haven't managed to read through it all) and the other stuff in the big lyrics thread. I like the Krunkus lyrics here precisely because the shifts in word tempo and rhyme distribution makes it feel a bit more alive.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Here's another one. You can hear the completed track by clicking on the audio files link in my avatar....

You've got an excellent voice and the processing is very tasteful - good work thumleft

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I too believe that rules are not for strict adherence when writing, but are more a wirish frame to twist. And, yes, it is very hard to convey tempos, pauses and emphasis with mere text. The words alone are but wings upon which the bird of our message flies.

I too enjoy your Lyrics Unk. and I very much like the points made in this discussion.

Electri-Fire...good points all. Teh best rule is make our own rules. Rule our rules, not be ruled by them.

Antimon, thanks for the compliment, and for having read.

Unless I'm mistaken, none of us are experts at any of this. We are however artists each in our own right. We should ecourage, help, and facillitate the growth of each other in our art. I feel we do that well here.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Danno Gee Ray wrote:
...Unless I'm mistaken, none of us are experts at any of this. We are however artists each in our own right. We should ecourage, help, and facillitate the growth of each other in our art. I feel we do that well here.


Amen Bro!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Inventor wrote:
Danno Gee Ray wrote:
...Unless I'm mistaken, none of us are experts at any of this. We are however artists each in our own right. We should ecourage, help, and facillitate the growth of each other in our art. I feel we do that well here.


Amen Bro!

Les


That is a definite 'amen' from me too. Wow - the talent on this forum is really amazing.

Uncle Krunkus I love your work - Bliss is awesome .. please do put Terror Form Me to music I would love to hear it. Do you mind if someone else plays any of your work? How should you be credited?

Danno & Les - we finally picked a recording device. We settled on a Sonar VStudio 100 and have been having a blast. I'm pretty busy finishing my keyboard controller at the present (as well as everything else we do with our music) but Les, you mentioned collaboration before - if you have anything you would like female vocals on let me know.

One of the things I am so impressed with in this forum is how genuinely supportive everyone is. Thank you.

Take care,
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Celtic Peasant wrote:
Do you mind if someone else plays any of your work? How should you be credited?


I would be very flattered. Just mention that it was written by Andrew Sharp in Australia when you play it. It was written for my wife Felicity (her name literally means - "bliss") Smile
Let me know if you want the chord chart.

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Uncle Krunkus wrote:
Let me know if you want the chord chart.


Thank you Uncle Krunkus - I would love the chord chart, thank you .

Is there anywhere on-line that you have the vocals recorded for Terror Form Me Very Happy ?

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I'm not great with theory, but I think you'll know what to do with this. I'm about 98% sure it's right.

3/4 time (obviously)

Verse
2 measures each of
Am
Fdm7
G#dm7
Am
Repeat

Chorus
1 measure each of
G
G
Am
Am
G
G
Am
Am
F
E
Am
G
F
E
Bb7
Bb7
Am
Am
Am
Am

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BTW, No, I haven't done the vocals for Terror Form Me yet.
It's a very tricky song to sing actually.
One of those songs where one octave is a little too high and the octave below is a little too low. Plus I'm too attached to the overall sound to transpose it. I've been wondering whether to pitch shift my vocals instead. Or maybe just knock it out and be done with it. Not sure. Confused

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Thank you so much Uncle Krunkus. Smile Do you have the music itself posted anywhere for Terror Form Me?

I'd be really interested to hear what you have music-wise for that piece.

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Yeah, just click on the audio files link in my avatar and look for "Forbidden Planet". That is actually the music for "Terror Form Me". You can't hear the melody/vocal line though, so it might be hard to get an idea how to sing it. Very Happy
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