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So, the hurdle will be to decide what method to choose for taking the surround sound mixes out of the studio and into live performance.

I suppose another method would be to use a laptop computer ...

My current recording/mixing setup is stereo -- running Cubase Audio Falcon. Would like to upgrade to a modern computer-based system to do Sequencing/Recording/Mixing/Mastering/Rendering. I want ...

1 - I was under the impression from both the encoders and from published Dolby documernts that the .1 in Dolby Digital is limited to 120Hz. There is even an HPF in the encoder for this express purpose ...

No - I was saying that in these configurations, there is no LFE - it's being used as a subwoofer.
The difference is subtle, but there.

Where the diffculty will come is in attempting to mix on thes ...

Agreed.
At anything over 80Hz it is definitely possible to tell the direction the bass is coming from, and some say as low as 50Hz (not tested this personally though).

The whole problem goes away ...

No.
LFE = Low Frequency Effects.
Subwoofer = Bass unit for systems where the main channels cannot reproduce any significant bass content.

An LFE would be used in a system where the 5 main channel ...

Interesting. Thanks...

So, on commercial satellite systems, if you don't supply the LFE it will derive the subwoofer channel from the other channels, but if you do it will just send the LFE to th ...

A few, really.
The main thing about the LFE was that it was originally intended to extend the bass response for movies, especially in things like explosions and the like.

The recommendations for m ...

The MSP5 are very good.
Brutal in the upper mids, and if a mix sounds great on these it will be great everywhere.
I have these as well - took a little getting used to, but now I would only use Yamah ...

If you're happy with the stereo pair, then keep them.
It's often a good idea to use a different set of monitors for this, as it has the added bonus (IMHO) of allowing you to check things like downmix ...

I'm using matched speakers myself, as per the Grammy.com Producers & Engineers guild recommendations.
If your centre speaker is bandwidth limited, and your surrounds are different again, then the ...

No. in the case of 5.1 I mean generating, processing and mixing sounds in true 5.1. Doing "fake" stereo or "upmixing" mono or stereo channels is trivial.

What would you use for ...

Sorry Kassen, I still don't get the gripe you have here.

This is because we are talking about entirely different things.

No harm done, enjoy your U.S. action movies.

I guess you are talking ...

Sorry Kassen, I still don't get the gripe you have here.
With 5.1 you can do a seriously good job of location.

You criticize as you cannot pinpoint a sound as you do in the park.
Then you critici ...

I've found that I can pan this in a surround environment with the two channels located at the opposite end of the surround circle. This enhances the effect - reduces the sensitivity of the sweet spot ...

I guess I'm still in the experimental / learning stage with surround.

As are we all, when we are being honest with ourselves.
It's a whole new field.

The point about n.1 being "panned ...

I'm starting this post in response to one made earlier on by Kassen.
At one point I discovered that there were no stereo reverbs on the market that suited my needs at the time. What I needed was a re ...

Ok, theb tell me what you use to generate 5.1 sound, how you mix it and what reverb you use.

Then we'll talk.

No Problem.
I will start a new post though, ...

And Stereo is better, then?

Yes, without any doubt.
Real stereo is better then what 5.1 gets used for.

Laughing

It's NOT termed "x.2".
the .2 simply refers to 2 LFE channels, which some people think is better as frequencies at or under 8Hz are directional too - it needs to go below 50Hz and less to b ...

Sorry about my dodgy terminology.
Embarassed

What I mean by "Use the same head" is that mixes in surround need to be approached in surround, and not in "stereo" mode. Have a reall ...

There is no sound positioning on the Y axis in a stereo system either.

Invalid argument.

You cannot pick shortcomings in surround without applying them to stereo as well.
And if you go to 10.2 ...

http://www.verber.com/mark/ce/cables.html

http://www.theaudiocritic.com/downloads/article_1.pdf
(this one has the 10 biggest lies about audio - well worth reading)

Enjoy the comedy!

I still cannot get over some of these "mod" sites - where it is claimed that scrawling black marker pen will somehow magically improve the sound quality from a CD.
Another hilarious one is ...

It's one of the big misconceptions that Surround's sweet spot is seriously limited, and stereo is the better route.
If you are off-axis in a stereo situation, the sound is often ghastly - but in a 5. ...

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Topic: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use?
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:11 am Subject: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use? Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	So, the hurdle will be to decide what method to choose for taking the surround sound mixes out of the studio and into live performance. I suppose another method would be to use a laptop computer ...
Topic: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use?
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:23 am Subject: Re: Upgrading to 5.1 Subject description: Seeking hardware and software recommendations Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	My current recording/mixing setup is stereo -- running Cubase Audio Falcon. Would like to upgrade to a modern computer-based system to do Sequencing/Recording/Mixing/Mastering/Rendering. I want ...
Topic: What about the LFE channel
neilwilkes Replies: 16 Views: 29811	Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:30 am Subject: What about the LFE channel Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 16 Views: 29811	1 - I was under the impression from both the encoders and from published Dolby documernts that the .1 in Dolby Digital is limited to 120Hz. There is even an HPF in the encoder for this express purpose ...
Topic: What about the LFE channel
neilwilkes Replies: 16 Views: 29811	Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:24 am Subject: What about the LFE channel Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 16 Views: 29811	No - I was saying that in these configurations, there is no LFE - it's being used as a subwoofer. The difference is subtle, but there. Where the diffculty will come is in attempting to mix on thes ...
Topic: Help setting up a new 5.1 system
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:48 am Subject: Help setting up a new 5.1 system Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	Agreed. At anything over 80Hz it is definitely possible to tell the direction the bass is coming from, and some say as low as 50Hz (not tested this personally though). The whole problem goes away ...
Topic: Help setting up a new 5.1 system
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:11 am Subject: Help setting up a new 5.1 system Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	No. LFE = Low Frequency Effects. Subwoofer = Bass unit for systems where the main channels cannot reproduce any significant bass content. An LFE would be used in a system where the 5 main channel ...
Topic: What about the LFE channel
neilwilkes Replies: 16 Views: 29811	Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:14 am Subject: What about the LFE channel Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 16 Views: 29811	Interesting. Thanks... So, on commercial satellite systems, if you don't supply the LFE it will derive the subwoofer channel from the other channels, but if you do it will just send the LFE to th ...
Topic: What about the LFE channel
neilwilkes Replies: 16 Views: 29811	Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:15 am Subject: What about the LFE channel Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 16 Views: 29811	A few, really. The main thing about the LFE was that it was originally intended to extend the bass response for movies, especially in things like explosions and the like. The recommendations for m ...
Topic: Help setting up a new 5.1 system
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:55 am Subject: Help setting up a new 5.1 system Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	The MSP5 are very good. Brutal in the upper mids, and if a mix sounds great on these it will be great everywhere. I have these as well - took a little getting used to, but now I would only use Yamah ...
Topic: Help setting up a new 5.1 system
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:03 am Subject: Help setting up a new 5.1 system Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	If you're happy with the stereo pair, then keep them. It's often a good idea to use a different set of monitors for this, as it has the added bonus (IMHO) of allowing you to check things like downmix ...
Topic: Help setting up a new 5.1 system
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:41 am Subject: Help setting up a new 5.1 system Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 11 Views: 20928	I'm using matched speakers myself, as per the Grammy.com Producers & Engineers guild recommendations. If your centre speaker is bandwidth limited, and your surrounds are different again, then the ...
Topic: What is wrong with X.1 systems
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:56 am Subject: What is wrong with X.1 systems Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	No. in the case of 5.1 I mean generating, processing and mixing sounds in true 5.1. Doing "fake" stereo or "upmixing" mono or stereo channels is trivial. What would you use for ...
Topic: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use?
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:52 am Subject: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use? Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Sorry Kassen, I still don't get the gripe you have here. This is because we are talking about entirely different things. No harm done, enjoy your U.S. action movies. I guess you are talking ...
Topic: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use?
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:46 am Subject: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use? Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Sorry Kassen, I still don't get the gripe you have here. With 5.1 you can do a seriously good job of location. You criticize as you cannot pinpoint a sound as you do in the park. Then you critici ...
Topic: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use?
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:28 am Subject: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use? Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	I've found that I can pan this in a surround environment with the two channels located at the opposite end of the surround circle. This enhances the effect - reduces the sensitivity of the sweet spot ...
Topic: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use?
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:45 am Subject: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use? Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	I guess I'm still in the experimental / learning stage with surround. As are we all, when we are being honest with ourselves. It's a whole new field. The point about n.1 being "panned ...
Topic: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use?
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:27 pm Subject: Mixing in 5.1 - What methods & tools do you use? Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 44 Views: 71792	I'm starting this post in response to one made earlier on by Kassen. At one point I discovered that there were no stereo reverbs on the market that suited my needs at the time. What I needed was a re ...
Topic: What is wrong with X.1 systems
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:06 pm Subject: Re: What is wrong with X.1 systems Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	Ok, theb tell me what you use to generate 5.1 sound, how you mix it and what reverb you use. Then we'll talk. No Problem. I will start a new post though, ...
Topic: What is wrong with X.1 systems
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:08 am Subject: Re: What is wrong with X.1 systems Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	And Stereo is better, then? Yes, without any doubt. Real stereo is better then what 5.1 gets used for.
Topic: What is wrong with X.1 systems
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:32 am Subject: What is wrong with X.1 systems Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	It's NOT termed "x.2". the .2 simply refers to 2 LFE channels, which some people think is better as frequencies at or under 8Hz are directional too - it needs to go below 50Hz and less to b ...
Topic: Some thoughts about stereo
neilwilkes Replies: 12 Views: 21971	Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:16 am Subject: Some thoughts about stereo Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 12 Views: 21971	Sorry about my dodgy terminology. What I mean by "Use the same head" is that mixes in surround need to be approached in surround, and not in "stereo" mode. Have a reall ...
Topic: What is wrong with X.1 systems
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:12 am Subject: What is wrong with X.1 systems Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	There is no sound positioning on the Y axis in a stereo system either. Invalid argument. You cannot pick shortcomings in surround without applying them to stereo as well. And if you go to 10.2 ...
Topic: What is wrong with X.1 systems
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:33 am Subject: What is wrong with X.1 systems Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	http://www.verber.com/mark/ce/cables.html http://www.theaudiocritic.com/downloads/article_1.pdf (this one has the 10 biggest lies about audio - well worth reading) Enjoy the comedy!
Topic: What is wrong with X.1 systems
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:27 am Subject: What is wrong with X.1 systems Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 31 Views: 48375	I still cannot get over some of these "mod" sites - where it is claimed that scrawling black marker pen will somehow magically improve the sound quality from a CD. Another hilarious one is ...
Topic: Some thoughts about stereo
neilwilkes Replies: 12 Views: 21971	Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:24 am Subject: Some thoughts about stereo Forum: How-tos » Surround and Sound Reinforcement
neilwilkes Replies: 12 Views: 21971	It's one of the big misconceptions that Surround's sweet spot is seriously limited, and stereo is the better route. If you are off-axis in a stereo situation, the sound is often ghastly - but in a 5. ...