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iceowl



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:51 pm    Post subject: Front Panels Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok - so there's downloading the .fpe file and sending $275 US off to Front Panel Express to get the Sound Lab Plus panel fabbed that's available on Ray's site.

Then there's doing intelligent data organization on the text layer, and getting the same panel done by FPE for substantially less as noted in the EM threads.

And finally, there's losing one's mind and going out and getting a drill press and some laser print text foil and doing the whole thing DIY.

So, say one was to take option #3, DIY - where would one find a good on-line source for stock aluminum to make a panel from. Specifically, I'm thinking of the textured panels that one would get from Synthtech or Brideschamber for modules they support.

Anyone can help?

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Joe
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

you could go cheap - plexiglas panel in old speaker box


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

alder wrote:
you could go cheap - plexiglas panel in old speaker box


You have to be super careful with plexiglas - I tried that with mine and ended up with a sheet of cracked plexiglas. I ended up using 1/8" hardboard and a laminated printout of the panel glued to it. Worked pretty well - I posted it here.

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iceowl



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I figured for the price of 2-3 smallish panels from Front Panel Express, I could buy a drill press. Indeed, in the U.S. with Amazon.com Prime I didn't have to pay tax or shipping. And they delivered overnight. So now I have the drill press.

I even have a micro mill (Sherline - non-CNC) back from the days when I was machining parts for antique pocket watches.

I just don't know where to get the anodized (black) aluminum stock from.

If anyone has a pointer to purveyors of stock aluminum front panel sheets, I'd be much obliged for it....

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Joe
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LetterBeacon



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Unfortunately I think most people get their anodized aluminium from Schaeffer. You can buy painted aluminium panels from bridechamber.com, but they're only sized for individual synth modules.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You can order aluminum sheet in any size you like from Online Metals. You'll probably want 6061 sheet:
http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=76&step=2&top_cat=60

Paia's panels are .125" thick. Go to the section for custom cut and plug in the dimensions.

Of course, you'll have to drill it yourself.

As for paint, you have a couple of options. There's rattlecan from HomeLowesAceDepotHardware. I've done that with one panel; I painted it with primer first.

You can get them powdercoated locally. Look for the people who work on motorcycles; someone usually knows a powercoater in that circle.

You can anodize them yourself. Not particularly difficult, just requires a crapload of equipment.

If you're going to drill them yourself, get a center punch and a stepped bit. You won't regret it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you decide to go along the anodizing route, it is probably best to drill the panel before you anodise it. That way you don't run the risk of accidentally scratching the finish whilst you work on it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks all. I just ordered 5 5U by 2U panels from Metals on line in the composition suggested above. We'll now see how well I might succeed at fabbing my own panels before I give up, put the drill press on Craig's list, and order from LPE...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

One other thing I will try - just hit me - that is why don't I try buying a panel of the appropriate dimension from Front Panel Express with no holes drilled or engraving. Just the anodized black panel. Turns out the panel on Ray's page, with all engraving and holes ignored but anodized black is about $40 US. I may try that.

For reference, a 5U by 2U (minus a bit for "slop") 6061T 0.125 width aluminum sheet from Metals On Line is only a couple dollars. Five of them plus shipping is running me about $37, but they're not anodized so I'll have to paint or powdercoat them somehow.

I wonder, has anyone tried fitting a Sound Lab or Sound Lab Plus into a 5U height MOTM format panel?

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Joe
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not to talk anyone out of what they want to do - I mean, it's DIY, we can do whatever we feel like....but..

For $40 I can pretty much build another module. I'd be hard pressed to spend that for a blank aluminum (even anodized) panel.

I get my 1/8 inch aluminium panels for about a buck each cut to size.
Granted, mine are not even close to commercial quality panels - but if I wanted to spend time going for that I've seen some decals that look pretty nice (laser-tran?)

Dang I'm cheap. Embarassed

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

True, $40 for a blank black panel is steep. I could make 3 Thomas Henry Platinum Power Supply modules for that much.

I was able to get 5 5Ux2U blanks including shipping for less than that from Metal On Line ($37 total - including shipping to California).

I am investigating a supplier local to me: Metal Supermarket.
They still haven't quoted me a price, but I asked for 5 5U x 2U panels. Cost for just blank aluminum, cost for anodized black, cost for black powder coating.
I'll let you know what they quote.
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Joe
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi, I dont know much about anything so I dont pipe up too much on this site but one thing I do know about is being cheap and super DIY. I dont want to shell out money for anything. This is what I do for my panels, I dont advocate stealing AT ALL, but street sign stock is usually aluminum and is a perfect 1/16 inch so its easy to work with (you can find them also at yard sales and thrift stores). To get the paint off I use a pnuematic sander but an electric would do well. Also (I dont know how it works in the UK or elsewhere) I got friendly with the guys down at my local city maintenence facility. they usually have a sign shop to make signs for ball fields and the like. go ask them, buy them some coffee or beers and they would be happy to give up some unpainted sign stock. a couple panels of those will go a long way. I dont get the black anodized but polished aluminum looks nice too. if i do want the black, I cut up the covers to old VCRs or tape decks or DVD players that I find in the garbage. they work well and also I reuse the components inside. I just made a power supply for free using parts out of an old amplifier. I have access to a shop so cutting isnt an issue for me. the way I would do it otherwise is either A) find somebody with a band saw or B) go to sears or home depot and get a high speed drill and also get a cut off wheel and bit. it will take some practice to get straight lines but I have done this in a pinch. heres some pics to get and idea of the results


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

RF wrote:

I get my 1/8 inch aluminium panels for about a buck each cut to size.

bruce


spill the beans, brother! where are said panels at said price? been buying the onlinemetals sheets, they come out to about 3-4 bucks per.

and to OP, ive used .062 and next one up(.08?), and am happy with them. they are quite easy to drill thru.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Heres an example of a WSG I recently made. the black panel was from the top of a DVD player. its made of steel but its strong and thin enough to drill through without issue.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

rjd2 wrote:
RF wrote:

I get my 1/8 inch aluminium panels for about a buck each cut to size.

bruce


spill the beans, brother! where are said panels at said price? been buying the onlinemetals sheets, they come out to about 3-4 bucks per.

and to OP, ive used .062 and next one up(.08?), and am happy with them. they are quite easy to drill thru.


There is a fairly large metal fabrication shop near me. I ask them for 1/8 aluminum 'drops' from projects they are working on. They cut them to the size I ask, and they ask for 'donut money' for the shop. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's what I am thinking of doing:

sheet alumimum from onlinemetals.com. They cut to your size specifications. Since I don't have easy access to a metal sheer, this is great.

DIY powder coating using the Eastwood.com deluxe kit #10112. I've done some powder coating a few years ago, now that the textured finishes in black are available, I am there! Plus there is a wide range of other colors too. And it IS something that you can DIY!

panel labeling might either be silk screening (did a LOT of that in high school), or maybe the decalpro system from Pulsarprofx.com. I use their pcb system, it works great!

Will post results once I get going. Hopefully in the next 3-4 weeks...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Front Panel
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Hey guys, I've been reading a lot of the posts but this will be my first response. I know the aluminum front panel will look awesome once it is done. Personally though I really love what you can do with plexi. I know it's already been discussed but here is my example of what can be done with it. This is a piece I was commissioned to build for Daniel Howie of the band Sugar Glyder. I recommended the WSG or the Sound-Lab but he decided he liked the chirps of the TriWave-Atoner combo.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great Job WizMike! I really like the backlit panel.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thank you Very Happy The were kinda added as an after thought. I think it will look good on stage.
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