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TekniK
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 Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject:
EXTENDED VC ADSR |
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This is a realy nice VC ADSR i drawed DiY user-friendly-fashion single side way.
It works fantastic 100%, i made shitloads,awesome VC ADSR.
The pdf contains layout and components implementation.
EnjoY!
EDIT: Attachments deleted after complains by forum members,sorry
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andrewF
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject:
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 ..... is it your design?
How about a schematic? |
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TekniK
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject:
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| I ofcource gladly provide a schematic to those that would have problems after building it. |
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otherunicorn
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject:
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How nice of you to steal my diagrams again. Since Serge gave me and only me a copy of the diagram, the only way you could have got it was by stealing it from my site again.
The real thing can be purchased from me. Serge even gets his dues.
http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgs116_env.html
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TekniK
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:19 am Post subject:
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I drawed this one already long time,so refrain with accusations plz
This is my layout design ,i did drawed it and i am the owner.
Thanks. |
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otherunicorn
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:27 am Post subject:
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I said diagram - not layout - you know:- the schematic. It is clear that your layout is from the Serge board too. Stop claiming it to be your own design.
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TekniK
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:12 am Post subject:
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Whats your problem buddy,this is my layout i drawed it am the owner
and I hold the responcability for it.
Sorry you came at the same time with an adsr pcb for sale,i don't sell pcb's,so am not obstructing your buzziness,its a DiY-friendly project here.
Thanks for your understanding. |
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otherunicorn
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questionable
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:26 am Post subject:
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I'm no expert, but it seems unfriendly to publicly post a layout that is so similar to someone else's work without permission, and especially for a product that is still being sold/licensed by someone that went through the proper channels to make it happen.
Ken: as soon as CGS81 becomes available, I'll be ordering a few of them and the licensed VC ADSR.
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TekniK
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:00 am Post subject:
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Well
Attachments deleted after complains by forum members,sorry
Buy the Ken Stone adsr |
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drapdap
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:19 am Post subject:
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| TekniK wrote: | Well
Attachments deleted after complains by forum members,sorry
Buy the Ken Stone adsr |
OK, but how do i know he's really paying to Serge? 
Just for the record Teknik got banned from electro-music.com for this action... |
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otherunicorn
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject:
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| drapdap wrote: | | TekniK wrote: | Well
Attachments deleted after complains by forum members,sorry
Buy the Ken Stone adsr |
OK, but how do i know he's really paying to Serge?
Just for the record Teknik got banned from electro-music.com for this action... |
Feel free to write to Serge and ask.....
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andrewF
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Just for the record Teknik got banned from electro-music.com for this action... |
How do you know? Did one of the admins tell you? Most likely it was more than just 'this action'.
teknik was also banned from muffwiggler, there he was '2012' |
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drapdap
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:30 am Post subject:
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Feel free to write to Serge and ask..... |
You sound really pissed Ken, nobody wants to hurt you!
This is the part when i ask for Serge's contact, and you decline, and get even more pissed, so let's not go down this route.
i was just sort of hoping you clear this once and for all to all of us, and stop banning people from public forums...
These things always been a big debate here, as why cloning of ARP, Synthacon and the WASP is tolerated, and why isn't Serge. Every time
this comes into question leads to an endless fight, and i do not want that, as i hugely admire you and your work.
But in my book asking to ban somebody out of financial interest is under the NO! -chapter, whichever end i open it from.
I believe Teknik did not post that ADSR to make money, but for us to build it and understand it how it works, i guess because you feel rather nice after it does our head in. But isn't how yourself started to clone Serge?
Reverse engineer his circuits in the first place without his permission, and post it in your site? So don't throw a rock at anybody doing the same please.
excuse my ignorance!
(no Andrew, it's not an admin who told me, but Teknik, as i was just about to buy used knobs from him, so he kontakted me in e-mail after he couldn't log in here. So it's a fact.) |
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blue hell
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| drapdap wrote: | | But in my book asking to ban somebody out of financial interest is under the NO! -chapter, whichever end i open it from. |
Ken did not ask for the ban, but I did get several signals of people being unhappy with the situation.
I do not really know too much about the conflicts that are around in the DIY world - every now and then I see some people here being hurt by what seems to be a long history, and that's sad. But mostly I'm seeing a great spirit of cooperation here, people sharing the things they are being passionate about, a pleasure to read.
| andrewF wrote: | | Most likely it was more than just 'this action'. |
I don't believe in bans to solve forum problems, the only thing that will work is that people treat each other with respect, which is what I'm seeing mostly. This incident was a last drop in a history of disrespectful behavior.
This ban may or may not have been the right thing to do, but it was my attempt to make this a better place for the DIY community. Time will tell if it was the right thing, but please do not blame Ken (or anyone but me) for this.
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otherunicorn
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| drapdap wrote: | | otherunicorn wrote: |
Feel free to write to Serge and ask..... |
You sound really pissed Ken, nobody wants to hurt you!
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I'm not pissed. I am merely pointing out the obvious course of action if people choose not to believe me.
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This is the part when i ask for Serge's contact, and you decline, and get even more pissed, so let's not go down this route.
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I do decline for two reasons, but not the ones you think.
1) The last thing Serge wants is dozens of synth nuts pestering him. It took me years to manage to start up a discussion with him. Most people who know his contact details will refuse to share them. My initial contact with him was when HE contacted a friend about an item on ebay.
2) So I give you an email address, and the next thing people will be saying is that it is an email address I made, and not really Serge's at all. Thus, if you really want to contact him, it would be best to do your own research.
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i was just sort of hoping you clear this once and for all to all of us, and stop banning people from public forums...
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Admin indicated they didn't really want to ban anyone. I was happy to let the matter drop when he removed the diagram from the site, and let admin know that too, and that did include me saying it was probably better to leave TekNic active. In fact I would have been happy if he just came clean and admitted where he got it from (i.e. that it was a Serge design. Then this:
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-47558.html
What happened in between I am not privy too.
What is clear though is that he attacked me, unprovoked, on this site and Muffwiggler several times before. He also reproduced my first VCS, and was distributing at least the artwork, if not the PCBs as well. MuffWiggler contacted me about this when it happened - I was not even a member at the time.
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These things always been a big debate here, as why cloning of ARP, Synthacon and the WASP is tolerated, and why isn't Serge. Every time
this comes into question leads to an endless fight, and i do not want that, as i hugely admire you and your work.
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Nyle was asked for permission before I released the Synthacon filter. He even made a few changes to my original design.
That said, the main reason is that Serge is till being manufactured, both in ready to run format by Rex, and now as DIY derivatives by me. It is still a LIVE product. On the other hand, the Wasp and ARP are long dead.
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But in my book asking to ban somebody out of financial interest is under the NO! -chapter, whichever end i open it from.
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It isn't about financial interest. In this case he said he wasn't even selling the PCBs. He was however claiming it as his own design, when clearly it was not.
Add to this, a certain person managed to get into my private archives and downloaded the lot, AND had the gall to spread both the diagrams and the URL to other people, along with a note telling them that I was to be told under no circumstances, because if I was, I would move the URL.
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I believe Teknik did not post that ADSR to make money, but for us to build it and understand it how it works, i guess because you feel rather nice after it does our head in. But isn't how yourself started to clone Serge?
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For you to built, yes. For you to understand, no. He kept the schematic hidden. So why his secrecy about the schematic? The answer is that the only source of that schematic is me, and if he distributed it, that would be obvious, especially as I have a lovely version free to view on my site.
As for private cloning, I have no issue with it at all. Even Rex stated somewhere that he was happy with that happening.
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Reverse engineer his circuits in the first place without his permission, and post it in your site? So don't throw a rock at anybody doing the same please.
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You are jumping to conclusions. If TecNik really did reverse engineer stuff himself, it would be one thing, but as already mentioned, he helped himself to all of the info in my file area. I doubt TecNik has ever seen a real Serge.
And who said I was doing it without Serge's his permission? Part of the reason I originally got permission was because I was prepared to do exactly that. Also I was not POSTING it on my site. It was in a private area not available to the public, though admittedly not password protected.
Had Teknik been producing a PCB for the few odd R series schematics that have been circulating the web forever, and that ARE publicly available on my site, nothing would have been said, unless of course he was claiming the circuits to be of his own design. Tracing/copying an existing PCB does NOT make it your own design.
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excuse my ignorance!
(no Andrew, it's not an admin who told me, but Teknik, as i was just about to buy used knobs from him, so he kontakted me in e-mail after he couldn't log in here. So it's a fact.) |
Perhaps you should direct your question to Blue Hell (Admin) for the truth of that matter, instead of just assuming TecNik's account was closed over just this.
Of course TecNik will have a different view on what has happened here. No doubt a lot of it could be attributed to different beliefs as to what is acceptable, a lack of understanding and poor communication (all people involved).
Of one thing I am sure though, TecNik will not be seeing me any more favorably than before after this, no matter what I say. The reverse would also be true. That is sad, because I don't like rifts in the community anymore than anyone else.
And in parting, many people assume I am a business. I am not. I am an invalid pensioner who does some DIY. I share what I do. I sell it below what a business could possibly afford to do. I live in Australia. I sell my boards in US dollars because when I first started, that was the only paypal option. Postage has increased and the exchange rate as gone from US$0.85 per AU$1.00 to US$1.07 per AU$1.00 WITHOUT me putting up my prices - a 25% drop in what I get. Out of that I pay postage, manufacturing costs, development costs and answer all sorts of emails about synth problems.
So maybe you now understand why I sound a bit miffed when I believe someone has taken advantage of me.
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oozitron
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While many underscore their intellectual shortcomings with long point-by-point replies, Ken's reply was completely perfect.
I am proud to be a CGS customer 
Drew
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oozitron
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject:
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"i did drawed it "
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otherunicorn
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| oozitron wrote: | "i did drawed it "
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Just remember that English is not his native language. We have to allow for that in any miss understandings we have. I should probably have realized that earlier myself.
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drapdap
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:26 am Post subject:
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Now that is well played Ken! 
i'm shure we can all benefit from this, thanks for taking the time to go into such detail, and provide a proof for the doubters.
I spoke to Teknik and i believe he wrote to you, in the manner of clearing
this mess up.
Just for the record, what he posted here was in fact a clone of the Modcan ADSR, which in fact is a clone of the Serge, that explains not having a schematic, and i think he didn't say it because it still goes against E-M policy,
so there's another version of the truth for you...
http://cgi.ebay.com/MODCAN-Envelope-Gen-04A-modular-synthesizer-ADSR-Serge-/280663144379?pt=Keyboards_MIDI&hash=item4158d3b7bb |
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