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speakerbruiser
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject:
Externally Slaved Amplitude / Envelope Sequencer Doepfer/G2 Subject description: trying to adapt a Doepfer modular patch, not quite working yet@! |
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Hey guys.
This is a very rough and incomplete draft of a basic beat cutter that I have built on a doepfer system. It is meant to drop audio synced to the master clock, with each button corresponding to a step. It does basicly what it is meant to in this incarnation, but the envelope seems to effect audio too drastically. Basically, the difficulty I am having is in figuring out the function of the envelope module in the G2. I am just wondering if someone could look at this and figure out why the volume of the output is effected so drastically by the enevelope. I have a video of the doepfer patch and how we use it live if this would help anyone. But for now I will just post the patch. Thanks for any suggestions.
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speakerbruiser
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Blue Hell
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject:
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MEGASOID
'm not sure what you mean exactly (waiting for the video to complete, waiting for the ... ) ... I mean, when the release time is short it will go to silence ... you could set longer release times maybe or you could mix in some of the input signal in addition to the gated signal? _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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speakerbruiser
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject:
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The problem is kinda twopart.
The ADSR's attack time doesnt quite seem quick enough, and the release curves seem to knock down too much volume in comparison to an analog one. Is there a way to have a separate VCA and ADSR module in the G2 environment? |
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Blue Hell
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:09 am Post subject:
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MEGASOID wrote: | Is there a way to have a separate VCA and ADSR module in the G2 environment? |
Not really, you can use the ADSR output without using the VCA and you can use a multiplier as a VCA, but it would do exactly the same. You could try to change the ramp type of the ADSR to linear decay, and you can experiment with the envelope set to gate or trigger mode (not possible for all env. types). _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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speakerbruiser
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject:
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Bluehell:
Thanks, we actually tried that already before jumping over here.
Still trying to crack this, as it is a patch we use a LOT during our live performance. |
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speakerbruiser
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for the inputs, it has been months since I have been playing on the completed version of the patch, and the first time in months that I have checked the board!
Anyways, here is a completed version of the patch, with help from Pk/Karn.
Enjoy! Its a really fun one!
The main part of the patch is a stereo Attack, Decay, Release which is triggered off a step sequencer/beat chopper that can rhythmically toggle on/off parts of the live input. When the ADR is tigntened, it can change the playback envelope of songs in real time, and CUT the beat. We suggest trying this as a live processor for Ableton, but it will work with any host sequencer sending midi clock and audio simultaneously to the G2. In addition to the beat chopper, it is also a filter box, a delay, a bit crusher, a beat scrubber, and a transformer switch. We suggest modding the patch to your taste in filters/fx, and using the variation buttons to store 8 presets that work with your music.
On top of that, It the patch is an Assignable/Labelable controller. The controller consists of 3 parameter pages, each with 3 Banks, that holds 8 labelable cc knobs, for a total of 72 controllers for you to assign as you wish, from filters to mix volumes, sends or whatever you like! The G2 is a fantastic controller, especially when used as a real time beat chopper + filterbox. We have been using it all year. We hope you will use it all next year!
Download should run at about 95% on a non expanded G2. Feel free to send us your tweaks on it!
A1 - Chopper / Beat Cutter Patch.
1. Env Attack L
2. Env Attack R
3. Env Decay L
4. Env Decay R
5. Env Release L
6. Env Release R
7. HP Filter ST.
8. Reverb Length ST.
A2 - Chopper / Beat Cutter Sequencer.
1-8. Sequencer Trigger Step On/Off
A3 - Chopper / Beat Cutter FX.
1. Transform Switch
2. Transform Switch Arm On/Off
3. Flanger Left
4. Flanger Right
5. Bit Crusher Stereo
6. Scratch/Srub Param 1
7. Scratch/Srub Param 2
8. Scratch/Srub Param 3
B1,2,3. External Controllers for simultaneous use.
Labelable On/Off Switch + 7 Lableable CCs per page (CCs 25-4
C1,2,3. External Controllers for simultaneous use.
Labelable On/Off Switch + 7 Lableable CCs per page (CCs 49-72)
D1,2,3. External Controllers for simultaneous use.
Labelable On/Off Switch + 7 Lableable CCs per page (CCs 73-96)
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speakerbruiser
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject:
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also, how do I get the site to notify me of responses to threads? |
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Blue Hell
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject:
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speakerbruiser wrote: | and the first time in months that I have checked the board! |
And suddenly the MEGASOID refs above seem odd How did you solve the original problem?
Re. email response notifications ... basically when you're lucky and do everything right it works .. or so it seems ... it's a three headed monster .. at least
1) a profile setting (top of page, Profile, Preferences, Always notify me of replies)
2) a posting specific setting (under the message you type there is a checkbox "Notify me me when a reply is posted")
3) luck ...
So basically I don't know, but on you first mail in this thread 2) seems to be off. I'll try to turn it on, but even then then 3) is still needed ... _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject:
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4) The email load of the server may have something to do with it, but erm .. that might as well be 3) actually  _________________ Jan
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speakerbruiser
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject:
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and it works!
Thanks guys.
As it turns out, I think it was more of a problem of just getting used to the different shapes of the ADR and getting the sequencer clocked right.
I think originally I had it running over 16 steps which made it seem like it was much slower than the analog version of the patch. Anyways, it is working great now.
I want an expansion so badly now! |
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:45 am Post subject:
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Good!
I remember the first time that I bought a modular synth (a formant) ... took me some time then to get it to make sound at all
The expansion board gets harder and harder to find it seems  _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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