Record Numbers For Cd-burners Seized In Italy During 2003

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

Not much for liberty and all that kinda stuff like that now, are we? I'm just glad that the Italian government is looking out for your needs, and working hard to keep the streets of Italy safe and peaceful for your children and your children's children. And on that note, pass the freedom sausage and freedom dressing, please.

Cyx

mosc · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:51 am Post subject:

Seizing stuff must be very exciting for people who remember fondly the good-old days of Fascism. To bad they don't get to gather around the bon-fire and burn CD-Rs them while they chant devotion to be big record companies.

seraph · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:19 am Post subject:

seraph · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:25 am Post subject:

451 degrees Fahrenheit is the temperature at which paper bursts into flame (see Ray Bradbury's novel).
What's the temperature at which CDs bursts into flame Question

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

it's probably less a matter of someone not thinking of it and more an issue of people trying to determine exactly how much they can expect to get away with unscathed. There were limits to what Hitler could get away with. There are limits to what Ashcroft can get away with. The RIAA too, and even the Italian authorities. Which brings up a good point...

"Sometimes authority can be justified. So, for example, you stop a three-year old kid from running across the street into traffic. That's authority, but I think you can give a justification for it. However, the burden of proof is always on those with the authority. They have to demonstrate that their authority and control is legitimate and that justification can very rarely be given."

- Noam Chomsky

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

mosc · Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:49 am Post subject:

This is the saddest thing. These people wouldn't get away with this kind of thing if there was an strong reaction by the people. The trouble is, people don't give a shit.

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:59 am Post subject:

In retrospect one might argue he got away with it all.

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:45 pm Post subject:

If he had not started to to seriously bother Russia, and had more competent dudes handling the "battle of britain", he might have been free to do whatever he liked. germany lost the airwar in 1940 mainly because the german pilots were too eager to report false kills. In the belief that the "fighter command" had been completely destroyed Göring started to target cities and industry. The initial german strategy of attacking the airfields proved very effective. Suddenly Göring provided the fighter command excellent and "easy kills". This led to immense german losses.

Limits..? OK.. he ended up in a war he could not win. On the other hand him and his hencmen pretty much did whatever they wanted in the territories they occupied.

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

I find that evil, at any scale, and at any capacity, harbors, at its very core, a pervasive element of ignorance and shortsightedness. That's part of what defigns evil.

And so long as good doesn't allow itself to be more ignorant and more shortsighted, good will nearly always prevail. Nearly.

Cyx

egw · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject:

The most dangerous kind of evil succeeds in presenting itself as good.

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject:

True.

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

seraph · Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject:

off topic warning:
I started this topic with Antipiracy efforts and we ended up with Hitler: he burned cities not CDs Shocked

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

Some would say that there is a correlation, but I know what you're saying.

So are they illegal over there? Burners, that is.

Cyx

seraph · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 2:46 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:08 am Post subject:

He burned Rome.. which absolutely rates high in the pirate ranking list.

mosc · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:42 am Post subject:

seraph · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:51 am Post subject:

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Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

mosc · Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:52 am Post subject:

Yes, and I'm interested in promoting discussion here. Sometimes this might motivate me to express an opinion I might suppress if being fair and proper was my primary objective.

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

Fair and proper tend to be subjective and relative. To some, cutting one's hand off for stealing bread is fair and proper. I love to til up conventions and continually overturn and rebuild my outlook on the world, often by subjecting the reality presented me to rigorous scutiny and suspicion. This has been a great place to express this process, moreso by far than most places.

"I must see through, to the governing dynamics"