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SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Investigators from the Australian recording industry raided the Sydney offices of Internet file-swapping network Kazaa on Friday in search of evidence to support allegations of copyright infringements.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/02/06/kazaa.raid.ap/index.html
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It's reasons like this that make me so juiced up about the idea of giving my CD away, putting my money where my mouth is when it comes to preferring giving my work away with no compensation than letting these people making a nickle off of me while they pull stunts like this. F them and the rolled-up sopina they rode in on.
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| Why not sell your CD here? I'm working now on being able to sell downloads too. You can still provide some free samples, but you deserve to receive some support from your audience. Judging from what little of your music that I've heard so far, it's worth paying for. |
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| mosc wrote: | | Why not sell your CD here? |
I'd love to, but right now I'm contending with this whole "what are my priorities, and what sort of message do I want to send" mess. I would pay for my music, were it someone elses, but I think the reality is that my work is far too esoteric and unhip to consider selling it as being a viable option. I could burn my own CD-Rs and go that route, but I'm really not into the idea of selling people CD-R copies of the CD, even at a reduced rate. If I'm going to do that, I might as well let them download an ISO of the CD, print files of the inserts, and let them burn and print their own copy, and save me the time and trouble. That, at least, has pinache, and PR value. Perhaps I can milk some benefit out of the absurdity of spending 2 solid years of my life making this thing, and not only giving it away (which most people do these days to some extent), but literally making available to them all the source files to burn their own copies and run with it, for personal use of course. The idea is growing on me, the fun of it, the flamboiance of it, the leverage of it, the laziness of it (  ), but I would so like to be able to make some sort of living at it, so that I can just do that with all of my time. Of coourse, we all know the merits of that delusion. To eat, I must lifemine a large portion of my time out to the lifeminers. With the available time I have left, I'd rather be working on the next CD. It's important to me that the application of my time matter, and wasting it pursuing capital is, I'm sorry, a misappropriation of available time. Life is a non-renewable resource. I'm spending mine making music, not money.
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...if and when it does come time to sell it, you will be the very first to know. 
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Sell the CD, sell downloadable files etc. The only message you want to send is that you think this music is worth listening to. Because you have been spending time making it, people will expect you to get something back. Hopefully you will get some reviews and then a few will notice.. and then.. who knows? The main problem is distribution. This is a problem which is caused by how the music industry works right now. From what I have heard today, one of the major labels are struggling with its own take on the Enron disaster. What they have done is exaggarating the "value of assets" thingie which the music industry is very into anyway. I will not, and cannot go into this more in detail, but there is a 50/50 chance for one specific of the 5 majors doing an Enron on us right now. It is just a matter of the feds deciding to make an issue out of how the majors are doing and redoing their books. If they decide to kick ass, at least one more will get into serious problems within miliseconds. I have spent some time surfing the websiets and annual reports after I was told this.
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It makes you a vulnerable entity when you are going after people who are stealing from you when you, yourself, do not have your own house in order. How does the adage go? Don't throw stones in a glass house? I think they should take that to heart.
I would love to sell my CD, but I just feel in my gut that pursuing such, right now, would be a misprioritization of resources. This is me, after all, and if I can't do it correctly, I shant bother.
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Interesting.
Cyx, I respect your ideas, and I understand where you are coming from.
Have you considered that your giving music away diminishes the value of the music of other artists? I know that's heavy, but think about it.
How about instead take the stance that every artist's music is of value, whether it is mainstream, pop, classical, jazz, or out-there wacko music most people can't relate to. Every artist should receive fair compensation for their work. As an artist, you take a stand and provide your music in a way that your audience pays for.
If you don't want to shell out the bucks to make CDs or CDRs, the just sell downloads. Give the money to a just cause or charity.
You can still give away copies of your music for promotional purposes, or as a gifts.
Just because the odds of making a living off of your music is remote, it still is of value, just as any of the rest of our music. Almost no one is making a living from music. |
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I agree with Howard.
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| Hmmm... brings back thoughts of the manifesto, doesn't it? |
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| mosc wrote: | | Have you considered that your giving music away diminishes the value of the music of other artists? I know that's heavy, but think about it. |
I can see it devaluing mine (using the term "value" to denote consumer confidence), but I'm not sure how it would diminish that of others. Do you really think so?
| mosc wrote: | | How about instead take the stance that every artist's music is of value, whether it is mainstream, pop, classical, jazz, or out-there wacko music most people can't relate to. Every artist should receive fair compensation for their work. As an artist, you take a stand and provide your music in a way that your audience pays for. |
Bear in mind, this idea is practice-driven, not principle-driven. It's essentially the end result of a long and depressing cost/bennefit analysis.
| mosc wrote: | | If you don't want to shell out the bucks to make CDs or CDRs, the just sell downloads. Give the money to a just cause or charity. |
This strictly boils down to finances. If this were currently feasable, you would already have my discs on your site. 
| mosc wrote: | | You can still give away copies of your music for promotional purposes, or as a gifts. |
Yes, but that would be a detail rather than an institution. It's an insane idea, granted, but it's also convenient, simple, and low maintenance. Plus, I can think of no more unique and interesting a way to get my work to as many people as possible.
| mosc wrote: | | Just because the odds of making a living off of your music is remote, it still is of value, just as any of the rest of our music. Almost no one is making a living from music |
Exactly, that is the reality. Because I have to, regardless of the possible outcomes, make a living, which leaves my time at a premium. To clarify, I've actually never had any hope in making a living with my music. Rather, I have many other ideas which I am considering for that purpose, which includes the label I have discussed in the past and a small software development company, and a smattering of other pet ideas that I tend to keep to myself for a variety of reasons. I just want to be able to spend all my time on it, somehow, at some point. Nieve and idealistic? Of course, but I hate wasting my time and energy and thought on mundane uninspired pursuits.
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