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Triangle waveform out of a 555?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Triangle waveform out of a 555? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've built a vibrato circuit from Mikmo's plans, and all is working well. But is there any way of getting a triangle or sine wave out of it, instead of just the standard square wave?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Getting a smooth slow sine or triangle wave is actually a bit trickier than you might think. AFAIK it has something to do with integrating an RC oscillator. Have a look at how Ray made the LFO for the SoundLab on the MFOS site.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't think it's a triangle wave - ramp IIRC? - but, if you want a different wave out of a 555, buffer/level shift the signal off of the timing cap. That's a pretty interesting wave all by itself.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's a ramp whose slopes are of unequal steepness as the timing resistor is varied, which in itself could be interesting. It would have to be buffered by a FET or high impedence opamp. If I remember correctly, the ramp only swings between 1/3 and 2/3 the supply voltage.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yep - I used it as an extra output in my then-breadboarded but long put-off Fluctuating Random Voltage adaptation from the 266 SOU. That circuit uses two 555's (actually 556, or in my circuit, 7556), and I had a buffered, level shifted output from each timing cap. Buffered with TL07X IIRC. It's a relative freebie in any 555 based oscillator, works pretty well for Schmitt trigger oscillators also.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

this is from a book. it should be able to produce square and triangle with one 555. if not exactly what you need, it should help. if not, sorry:
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it's from Encyclopedia of Electronic Circuits Volume7 by Rudolf F. Graf and William Sheets. originally in Popular Electronics.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks guys for your advice, that helps a lot, and thanks choklitlove, the schematic seems to be just what I need!!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ne566 maybe is the simplest solution... a very clean triangle wave out for default!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Is the 556 directly compatible pin for pin with the 555? Also, is it CMOS (low power drain)?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

gmeredith wrote:
Is the 556 directly compatible pin for pin with the 555? Also, is it CMOS (low power drain)?

Thanks, Graham


556 is a dual 555--14 pins instead of 8 so not pin-compatible, but the individual timers on the 556 functionally identitical to 2 555s in anything i've tried. not cmos.


NE566 (or LM566) is actually the chip that puts out both square & tri... also not pin-for-pin w/ the 555, also not cmos... and also no longer in production, but they show up regularly on ebbay...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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556 is a dual 555--14 pins instead of 8 so not pin-compatible, but the individual timers on the 556 functionally identitical to 2 555s in anything i've tried. not cmos.


The link below will give you some good information on the 55x timer IC's. Also, they do also make CMOS versions that are better than the original bi-polar counterparts in terms of lower power requirement and better output switching performance. They are the 7555 and 7556 CMOS equivalent devices.

An something even better than the 755x series is the :

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An improvement on the CMOS 7555 is the ZSCT1555 from Zetex. It is guaranteed to work down to to 0.9 volts with bipolar technology. It has been designed for portable applications, by offering single battery cell operation.


http://www.talkingelectronics.com/Projects/555/Page1-555.html

For the Zetex part, a link to the data sheet and description ........

http://www.zetex.com/3.0/3-3-2b.asp?rid=112

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the links, everyone, that is lots to go with! Seems as though it's easy enough to get a triangle wave out of the 1555.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I worked with a guy -- my boss, actually -- who wouldn't design with 556s because he didn't have the pinout memorized, like he did for the 555. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I worked with a guy -- my boss, actually -- who wouldn't design with 556s because he didn't have the pinout memorized, like he did for the 555


Some people just have strange work habits ........

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