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astroid power-up!
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you can talk about whatever you want, that's fine, you're not gonna raise my ire.
but, saying "i'm going to sell my modular synth for a wavetable synth" is about as pertinent as saying "i'm going to sell my saxophone for a guitar". with another hardware virutal modular system, it'd be more like "i'm gonna sell my current guitar for another guitar."
do you follow that?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject:
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reminder! we're at version 1.4 with the G2 and if you looked into the editor files with a resource viewer you'd see tons of new physical modelling, chaos, etc., modules in there... doesn't mean they'll see light of day but i sincerely doubt they're finished with G2 development.
i also have to agree that it's a poor comparison -- i'm simply not interested in non-modular systems, anymore. so, the new Waldorf synths hold no appeal whatsoever.
p.s., calling X a Y 'killer' is a sure way to start a flame war and not a calm discussion. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject:
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| cebec wrote: | reminder! we're at version 1.4 with the G2 and if you looked into the editor files with a resource viewer you'd see tons of new physical modelling, chaos, etc., modules in there... doesn't mean they'll see light of day but i sincerely doubt they're finished with G2 development.
i also have to agree that it's a poor comparison -- i'm simply not interested in non-modular systems, anymore. so, the new Waldorf synths hold no appeal whatsoever.
p.s., calling X a Y 'killer' is a sure way to start a flame war and not a calm discussion. |
Read my original post. I stated that the Waldorf is only a G2 killer in the sense that I would be willing to sell my G2 to get one, and I'd like to see wavetables added to the G2. Y'all need to lighten up. 
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you can discuss it..but waldorf stinks... at least it allways did...
you want chrunchy wavetables? get a ppg and not this design students box with the nerdishst sound ever herad from an analog synth...
and regarding wave as waste of money... probably its not anymore a waste of money because you probably get them now cheap..in case you find one..
At the time they were actual you could have bought a 4voice a jupiter and a VS for the same money...
now you would have to pay 2 times as much for the 3 oldies than mid 90´s when the wave turned up...
so it dont works anymore this way  |
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i saw a prophet vs go on ebay for 700$ about a month ago. my best bid was 650$.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject:
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thats cheap ! 1500 is the normal going rate..one of the best sounding synths ever...
only problem..they are allmost unrepairable because of discontinued custom chips |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject:
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ohoooo,
I'm going to receive tomatoes  ,.... there is another G2 killer,...
the new Roland V synth !
seriously,... I'm considering selling a lot of my gear for the new waldorf AND  roland but not my little noise red box, maybe my G1 keyboard,.... I will see
but what a promising 2007 year for keyboards,.... 
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astroid power-up!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:
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| T7 wrote: | | 3phase wrote: | you can discuss it..but waldorf stinks... at least it allways did...
you want chrunchy wavetables? get a ppg and not this design students box with the nerdishst sound ever herad from an analog synth...
and regarding wave as waste of money... probably its not anymore a waste of money because you probably get them now cheap..in case you find one..
At the time they were actual you could have bought a 4voice a jupiter and a VS for the same money...
now you would have to pay 2 times as much for the 3 oldies than mid 90´s when the wave turned up...
so it dont works anymore this way |
| astroid power-up! wrote: | | i saw a prophet vs go on ebay for 700$ about a month ago. my best bid was 650$. |
| 3phase wrote: | thats cheap ! 1500 is the normal going rate..one of the best sounding synths ever...
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The Prophet VS is a wavetable synth. |
no way!
man I feel STUPID!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject:
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| Charlie wrote: |
but what a promising 2007 year for keyboards,....
SMD |
Indeed. Hardware seems to be coming back in vogue. |
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yeah 3phase-i just didn't have the dough. i wouldn't have kept it anyway (can't afford to). i walked into a store yesterday and saw one in worse shape for 1750$!!!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject:
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| T7 wrote: | | Charlie wrote: |
but what a promising 2007 year for keyboards,....
SMD |
Indeed. Hardware seems to be coming back in vogue. |
i'm hoping that'll translate into a drop of software prices (NI stuff, especially) but not holding my breath.
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| Charlie wrote: | ohoooo,
I'm going to receive tomatoes ,.... there is another G2 killer,...
the new Roland V synth !
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You mean that new christmas tree with all the colours and shiny things? I've heard that V-synths are wonderful, but if they come dressed up like that it looks more like those auto-playing wedding keyboards
There you have your first tomato
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject:
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The DSI Evolver is a wavetable synth with VS wavetables (albeit not interpolating ones like waldorf). The desktop model works really well with the G2 wrt two-way audio signal exchange/mutation/soothing...
But I have to give the waldorf great marks for excellent user interfaces and awesome digital filters.
Now prices for Waldorf XT's should drop, and those who are thinking of trading their G2 for it, may be able to keep it and get an orange beast to boot.
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| dasz wrote: | The DSI Evolver is a wavetable synth with VS wavetables (albeit not interpolating ones like waldorf). The desktop model works really well with the G2 wrt two-way audio signal exchange/mutation/soothing...
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i'd love to hear more of how you chain these together. i have both, maybe need somemore cords 
there's no way to send out the evolver oscs, mutate via g2, and then send back through the filter, is there? what a modification that would be...
lol @ haagen dasz...
and the evolver uses wavetables, but it doesn't really do the kind of interpolation "vector" sequencing that you get in the VS, correct? i know it has those "shape sequences" but that's more wave sequencing afaik.
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| T7 wrote: | So it's okay to discuss Yamaha and Arturia but not Waldorf?
Everyone needs to lighten up. God forbid I suggest selling a G2 or buying another synth. |
Of course it isn't, but you choose the wrong statement.
Didn't you wrote:
| Quote: | | Unless Clavia decides to add Wavetables to the G2. |
That isn't hardly an argument to start a discussion, in my opinion.
And in Stockholm they won't change their attitude 
Anyway, what's so brilliant about wave tables?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject:
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I thought the V synth was a rompler with fancy effects.
I like Roland BTW, very clean. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject:
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It would be interesting to think that people like Arturia/Yamaha had been monitoring some of the discontent in the G2 community and were themselves aiming to produce a "G2 Killer"...
I think by the very nature of modular products.. modular users will never be completely content though
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lol all i want are some gdamn ffts!
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| astroid power-up! wrote: |
i'd love to hear more of how you chain these together. i have both, maybe need somemore cords
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at the moment I've got them hooked up together (g2 out 3/4 into evolver, and evolver out into g2 in 3/4- since I have limited # of inputs in my presonus firebox).
The processing so far has been like this:
g2 sequencer sends patch change to evolver to switch between synth and audio processor patches. this sequencer also switches whether the nord is sending output to 3/4 for processing. it is not simultaneous. it is very experimental as I just hooked it up this way earlier today.
I am mostly doing a lot of big-ass synth patches in the evolver to get my analog fix (I only got the evolver last month, after 7 years w/o any true analog filters and oscs) which do not involver any audio in to the evolver.
| Quote: | | there's no way to send out the evolver oscs, mutate via g2, and then send back through the filter, is there? what a modification that would be... |
not with the desktop/mono unit, since both left and right filters share one set of controls (unless you were to set the filter split really high, but resonance for both left and right filters only has one control. so no, I'm not even trying
| Quote: | | lol @ haagen dasz... |
yeah, I should have updated my avatar to the Haagen logo some time ago too keep things light hearted
| Quote: | | and the evolver uses wavetables, but it doesn't really do the kind of interpolation "vector" sequencing that you get in the VS, correct? i know it has those "shape sequences" but that's more wave sequencing afaik |
it's wave sequencing unless you upload 32 of your user waves and interpolate them manually in a generic wave editor. this is a big disappointment in the evolver for me - imho. it is making me dream of an orange waldorf beast (and imho the stromberg does not look much different to me, except for a 3rd wavetable osc, analog "options"(?) such as tube or filter as in the picture, and a USB2 port).
Wrt Evolver wavetable interpolation here's some ideas:
1. use lfo's to fade between osc 3 and 4 to create a fake "interpolation" by modulating osc volumes.
2. Also the evolver has a two way ringmod 3->4 and 4->3 as well as FM for waveshaping purposes.
3. finally you can run both oscs dry into your g2 and interpolate them in all sorts of ways (with filters, x-fades, etc etc etc)
Keep it lighthearted, folks ... I don't think Waldorf think of themselves as gear "killers", they are just happy to be alive again
/Haagen Dasz
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | T7 wrote: | So it's okay to discuss Yamaha and Arturia but not Waldorf?
Everyone needs to lighten up. God forbid I suggest selling a G2 or buying another synth. |
Of course it isn't, but you choose the wrong statement.
Didn't you wrote:
| Quote: | | Unless Clavia decides to add Wavetables to the G2. |
That isn't hardly an argument to start a discussion, in my opinion.
Wout |
What evs. Get over it.
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| Quote: | That isn't hardly an argument to start a discussion, in my opinion.
And in Stockholm they won't change their attitude Smile |
Nor their altitude (above sea level) and latitude and longitude... ok I am getting silly now 
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Don't know if I can be OT principally in this topic, but did I mention I'll be getting a G2 keys soon (99% sure) 
So I'll be getting to use the nice UI and probably I'll start adding nice parameter page assignments to my patches.....
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Did I mention that thing about me getting a G2 keys
What do you mean I'm excited in a childish way.....
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject:
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i'm gonna go use my evolver like a filterbank
will report back in 90,298,498,090,000 samples (96K/sec)
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| astroid power-up! wrote: | i'm gonna go use my evolver like a filterbank
will report back in 90,298,498,090,000 samples (96K/sec) |
actually, that's like 30 years. i'll be a bit quicker than that
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| Fozzie wrote: | | Don't know if I can be OT principally in this topic, but did I mention I'll be getting a G2 keys soon (99% sure) ... Did I mention that thing about me getting a G2 keys What do you mean I'm excited in a childish way..... |
Congrats Fozzie! You will be sooo delighted...
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