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I'm using an OSX G4 Power Book to beta test the G2 editor. I'm not having too much difficulty using it. My GUI experience is mostly with X windows and MS Windows.
On the OSX screen, there is a row of icons along the bottom of the screen that are for launching applications and such. How do you toggle that off and on?
The screen is quite small and that stuff covers up important parts of the screen.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:20 am Post subject:
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under the 'apple' menu..you will find system prefernces as well as 'dock' preferences
you can shrink/expand/hide the dock...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:25 am Post subject:
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Thanks, that was easy.
How about another question. The PowerBook has a wireless connector built in. It says it is 802.11 G. Will it also work with 802.11 B? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:32 am Post subject:
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| mosc wrote: | | The PowerBook has a wireless connector built in. It says it is 802.11 G. Will it also work with 802.11 B? |
I think so (see http://www.apple.com/airport/ ) but it will transfer data 5 times slower 
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...G ... yes.. it is compatible... no probs.. apple has this covered in the support files somewhere.. and yes.. it does in fact work too..
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| Thanks, Carlo. 11 Mbs is pleanty fast to connect to a cable modem that on a great day runs at 3 Mbs. I have a PC laptop card that is 802.11 B so I need to run that if I want to ever use the PC. 802.11 B is cheaper, although in the long run it is probalby more expensive because I'll certainly be fored to upgrade when B is no longer supported on new equipment. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:48 am Post subject:
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Wireless connector? Hmm.. you probably mean that there is a card installed? Apple calls the g breed Airport Extreme. And yes.. it is compatible with b.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:31 am Post subject:
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| Just got the OSX ethernet to work, not the wireless one. I need to buy a hub/gateway thing for that. Just testing this out. Using Safari. What is this, a version of Mozilla? |
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Nope.. I don´t remember the name.. they built it partly from another app and partly from scratch.. 10.2.6? Hmm.. a lot is improved in the latest versions of the OS etc etc
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| Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:55 am Post subject:
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| How do you make a window fill the screen? Clicking on the green + makes it full size vertically, but not horizontally as well. |
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Green should do it.. hmm.. which app... Finder? 10.2.6 is a bit.. well.. bad tempered.. you might have to adjust some windows manually..
and if you have the dock in there.. the window will probably not drop over the dock if you click the green button.. in fact.. if the window already covers the dock area.. the green button will snap the window back..
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It is possible to upgrade this OS to the latest version online, or do you have to have purchased disks or some admin tool. This Power Book belongs to my wife's school.
Never mind, I found the upgrade feature and I'm downloading the files now. |
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| mosc wrote: | | What is this, a version of Mozilla? |
That's funny- I thought exactly the opposite when I downloaded Mozilla Firefox!
Safari is still a better app on OSX imo. Firefox runs quite slower- and doesn't look so good.
Too, 'Thunderbird' looks like 'Mail'- but I could never be bothered to figure out how to configure it because this- free with Virgin Cornflakes- 'Made for PC' (...and later ported to Mac- very badly) USB modem is so shite! Also if you click on a hyperlink in Mail- it always opens Safari- I could never work how to turn this off- so Safari rules the roost again 
Yes ALL Mac computers have had ethernet ports built into them as standard- you never got that on any PC 
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Tom, this thread is over 18 months old. 
I have learned how to use the OSX box quite well by now.
I think FireFox is much better than Safari on OSX because of the extensions. Also, I use all three operating systems, Linux, OSX and XP. I like having what Kassen calls OS Agnostic applications.
As for performance, I have found the latest versionh of FireFox to be indistinguishable from Safari as far as performance on my PowerBook. But, I'm only running 10.3 OSX. There are pages that will not work on Safari that do work on FireFox, this is true of even the new Safari on 10.4.
As for email, you should try Thunderbird again. It has fantastic adaptive spam filtering.
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| mosc wrote: | Tom, this thread is over 18 months old.
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oh...yes!  !!
(initially I was confused why you were asking! silly me- personally I put it down to having young kids )
So just how does one configure Thunderbird then? hehe
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hmm- I really confused now. If this thread is 18 months old, then how come this is a new forum?- Have you just renamed an existing one??
I'd love to be on the web full-time, but my partner would probably get up and walk- blaming me for not having a life!! 
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| v-un-v wrote: | | If this thread is 18 months old, then how come this is a new forum? |
 that's my fault I searched threads that I deemed relevant to this new forum and moved them here Tom, you should read the editor's forum once in awhile 
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| v-un-v wrote: | | Also if you click on a hyperlink in Mail- it always opens Safari- I could never work how to turn this off- so Safari rules the roost again |
Thunderbird is just another application running on the OS. when you click on a link it spawns the default browser. If that is Safari, then that one will open. In order for FireFox to be the default browser. To do that follow these steps:
1) start FireFox
2) Select Tools
3) Select Options
4) Select General
There is a checkbox where you can make FireFox the default browser.
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Yes ALL Mac computers have had ethernet ports built into them as standard- you never got that on any PC |
I'd like to set things straight about this; you are incorrect. Apple was slow to accept ethernet (TCP/IP is a more correct description of the protocol. Ethernet was the brand name that Xerox used when they first introduced their products).
Ever hear of Apple Talk? It was a network that Macs used to run. It was Apple proprietary - didn't work with anyone elses equipment except some companies that made AppleTalk to TCP/IP bridges. Early Apple TCP/IP implementations were horrible. At one time many companies refused to allow Apples to connect to corporatate networks because they would cause disastrous network outages.
Windows had their own network standards too. None ever were very good or successful. Windows for Workgroups was one of the name of those miserable productes. Novell became a huge company supplying networks for Windows environments.
Those days are thankfully gone. Unfortunately many companies have long memories and Apple bans are still in effect.
Now ethernet works and is standard on almost all platforms.
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| mosc wrote: | I'd like to set things straight about this; you are incorrect. Apple was slow to accept ethernet (TCP/IP is a more correct description of the protocol. Ethernet was the brand name that Xerox used when they first introduced their products).
Ever hear of Apple Talk? It was a network that Macs used to run. It was Apple proprietary - didn't work with anyone elses equipment except some companies that made AppleTalk to TCP/IP bridges. Early Apple TCP/IP implementations were horrible. At one time many companies refused to allow Apples to connect to corporatate networks because they would cause disastrous network outages. |
There were issues, but Apple networking wasn´t really that bad at all. The Appletalk protocol itself wasn´t bad either, but you could mess it up if you didn´t know what you were doing. Re the chatter, this is partly mythology. Mostly it was a case of RTFM. Appletalk supported "zones" and Apple even issued a fairly advanced software router. The early TCP/IP implementation wasn´t really bad either. By the time of the FX II the boxes did come with ethernet. Bottom line is that Apple computers did come with two ways of setting up a useable network at a time wintel boxes weren´t really that suited for networking at all. Actually i know this because I installed many reasonably huge networks at the time and integrated Apple machines with "PC" networks. Another matter was that way too many Apple networks at shols and such were still on plain Appletalk when they should have been on either coax ethenet or on twisted pair. By 1994/95 there was simply no reason for using original Appletalk wiring. Appletalk itself is bundle of protocols. Many of these are still reasonably hot in the sense that they were very smart. Best known is the collection of printer protocols. These allowed two communication with the printer at a time when there was nothing like this on wintel at all. That said, of course there were shitloads of nasty and outright horrible network configurations out there. That was pretty much the standard way of doing things 10-16 years ago no matter what platform we are talking about. I should mention that there were many implementations of parts of Appletalk/Appleshare/AppleshareIP for PCs - all of these 3rd party. At least one of these is still around I think. I remember it was fairly common to use such tools in order to give PCs a relatively decent printer connection over the network. |
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You are right that Apple talk had some good stuff, but it was not open and was not adapted by other companies over time. Apple has a history of advanced stuff that never made it. Microsoft too, for that matter.
Thank God for Unix. Virtually eventhing we use nowadays was first developed on Unix. Cripes, even OSX is based on Unix. At one time Bill Gates said that NT was Unix, but this just showed him to be techically naive.
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Adapted? Or adopted? The Appletalk/Appleshare stuff is still with us. The Appletalk printer protocol is still basically the only intelligent printer protocol around. All the serious products for lan use have this implemented.
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| mosc wrote: | | You are right that Apple talk had some good stuff, but it was not open and was not adapted by other companies over time. |
I'm not sure what you mean by saying Apple Talk not being open. It was one of the first network protocols I laid my hand on ... before I read anything on TCP/IP / ethernet - must have been around 94 or something I guess.
I don't have the book here, but I think it was published by Apple itself and it's one of the best technical books I ever saw, everything was very well documented. The protocols were just too heavy for the purpose I had in mind then (TCP/IP would have been too heavy as well BTW), but it learned me a lot.
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True. I have many of those Apple tech manuals myself. Those were really good. They hired really some propellerhead cases way back then.. and several of the tech manuals and the tech whitepapers read like a day by day account of the roman empire .. This was really extensive stuff.
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I was learning TCP/IP in the late 70s. The Arpanet was running on it. There was a rich TCP/IP network internationally with thousands of computers before the release of the first Lisa, not to mention the first Mac. The most widely used printer protocol in use today is LPD which was in Unix in the late 70s if not before. FTP, RSH, RCP, RWHO, RTALK, and all those were working quite well before 1980. Sun had NFS (Network File System) before the first Macs were on the market too. I remember working at Bell Labs on a network of Sun Workstations when the first Mac showed up and everyone was checking it out.
Heck, the Macs were designed on networked Sun workstations.
Apple could have used TCP/IP from day one but they didn't. AppleTalk and AppleShare may still be here, but it is legacy stuff, like a lot of the early Microsoft networking is still here too.
No, I don't care how good the Apple tech manuals were, both Micorsoft and Apple both thought they could reinvent the wheel and both ended up on TCP/IP.
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