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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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This has all been done with a one speed hand drill.


THAT is definitely an achievement to be proud of! Nice work indeed.

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BTW I don't have a drill press. This has all been done with a one speed hand drill.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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BTW I don't have a drill press. This has all been done with a one speed hand drill. Of course the right bits, and a well practiced method help a lot. I do think it's important to show others what is possible though. You can get good results on a budget. And you can get great results if you keep at it!


Practice does, indeed, make perfect -- or 99% of the time until the spanner slips and you mess up your perfect panel (..not you, Andy!)

I was already really impressed at you managing to do sliders by hand, but no drill press, that's just nuts! Respect (..though, you know you oughta get one - they're great!)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, one day, when we buy a house and I have my own shed, I'll put a drill press in. But at the moment, my "workshop" is the floor of the spare room, which I call "the lab". There's no room for a drill press, and I couldn't justify the price anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Here's the finished slider plate.


I really like the way that came out. Very impressed by this work.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I finally did a couple of demo sounds....
(too much on at the moment -- so little time to get kleeing though the desire is definitely there!)

Demo1
--- I don't usually go for such synthy lines, but this demos quite a few features (though in a not very controlled way 'cos I'm still learning aye!)
8x2 stepping to start with - CV control of TH XRVCO through Mankato
- then add CV mod of Mankato cutoff.
- start Reloading on clock divisions & bits of Bus1 load
- add in kicking trig3
- sync'd Osc gets A+B CV
- bits of InvB and resetting --- Hmm, gets a little messy, but you can bring it back! Playing with the Prog switches allows you to shift patterns along and then back ---- great!
- speed up the clocking and generally loose it! Hehehehe

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-- just a (maybe) interesting play -> feedback path of Mankato resonance feeding the Random input - running audio rates and CVs going to XRVCO pitch and Mankato cutoff - bits of glide added - this slews the sound all over the place - things get wierdy! Subtle tweaks send things spiraling off into new(ish) chaos!
- oh, and there's bits of adding Bus1Load and changing pattern switches - though its hard to pick out the particulars!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Very nice samples Tom.
It's great to hear someone else playing around with a Klee.
You're really kicking out some edgy sounds. It's a side of the Klee I haven't heard from Scott. This is very good! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I agree, nice demos!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
BTW I don't have a drill press. This has all been done with a one speed hand drill. Of course the right bits, and a well practiced method help a lot. I do think it's important to show others what is possible though. You can get good results on a budget. And you can get great results if you keep at it! Very Happy

Well, you have a keen eye and a steady hand. Your nibbler work is amazing. Exclamation
I started out with a drill and a file, also. Now I have a lathe and a drill press, and I know how to use them, but still I don't do all that well.
But aside from the actual metalwork, my big trouble is I don't know much about how to design a mechanical system -- I manage to end up with most of my boards inaccessible, while at the same time wasting a huge amount of space. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Well, you have a keen eye and a steady hand. Your nibbler work is amazing. Exclamation


It's all about being stuck out in the bush wit nothing but crocs and roos to entertain one self! Shocked Laughing Laughing

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Which from the front looks like this. I'm still not sure about the blue tint, but I have to wait for some lazertran, so I've still got time for plenty of colour options.


Wow! Shocked The tint on your veneer looks wonderful!! Very Happy

There seem to be so few people using wood for panels in ANY way. (As far as I know - I'm the ONLY one using wood, instead of metal, for my synth.'s panels. IS there anyone else?? )

In the photo it looks somewhat green'ish though. Would it just be the camera itself, changing the shade?

I can't wait to see a pic of the final panel though! Smile
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It's all about being stuck out in the bush wit nothing but crocs and roos to entertain one self!


Lucky Andy. All I get here are alligator snappers and cottontails.

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It's great to hear someone else playing around with a Klee.


There's also THeff, who's provides some samples of his Model 2 here:

http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-19983.html


Nice samples, Tom! It is great to hear other people's approach to the thing.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I was going to record a sample last night, but I'm still in the "new toy" stage, so I'm trying to figure out what would be a nice, succinct example. Everything I recorded was long and rambling. One can go nuts with these switches.

One thing I've discovered, after being freed of the bonds of the breadboard, is how powerful a tool different programming pot intervals can be. With a nicely tuned up Klee, it's amazing how a sequence programmed at one interval often smoothloy segues into the other intervals when the range switch is set to a different range.

Andy included a set of pads that allow the CD4051, which selects the range voltages, to be controlled by actual high or low inputs. This would be a good way to automate the change of ranges.

What I've done is added an external voltage input on mine, so that position 8 of the rotary switch selects it as an input. The pot that controls the level of the range voltage is normalled to ~4V, so that if nothing is plugged into the external range voltage input, the pot is used to manually set a fixed interval. If a positive voltage is plugged into the jack, then the Klee will use that instead.

Now, let me tell you, this is *not* the same concept as plugging an external voltage into a standard sequencer. That is usually for moving the sequence up or down, but the note intervals in the sequence stay the same. This is different - it changes the sequence itself - it changes the key and the mode of the sequence - the intervals between the notes themselves.

An external keyboard I think will work very well for real time manipulation of this function. Better yet - an external sequencer (or another Klee) plugged into this will provide variation that will truly blow the doors wide open. In a live situation, it would really kick. I highly, highly recommend this modification, or Andy's or both. I would have made this one standard if I would have had a clue.

Other things I've tried for the first time since the Klee roared to life:

Triggering the clock from a random voltage - never did that before. I used the noise output of the DSC2000, and it is a nice, raucous or lilting/tinkling effect (depending on your mood). Cool combination? Random clock in and random mode with a second random input. Use gate bus 1 load or not. A third external random input of load would be the knees. #$%! didn't put in an external load LED. What was I thinking? I think Ian's chaotic circuits will work nicely for these functions.

Reverse Klee programming. Hey - that's pretty cool - you select a range that's not too high (an octave or below), then crank all the pots high. Then you tune the VCO to a range you can hear. Then you punch in a pattern, and start lowering pots one by one. Liberally change switch settings. All of 'em. Set an alarm clock so you know when to stop.

I've been playing a lot with the Bus 1 Load switch. As I mentioned before, there are permutations that just hadn't occurred to me.

Random - For some reason, I've been using random a lot more, especially "half" random - Register A random, Register B pattern with or without invert B on. Using output B voltage, but gating off of the random signals by setting all the used bus switches for Register A. Using random A voltage, but gating off of rhythmic gates/triggers from register B. Things like that.

Audio Rate Clocking - the Klee can groan, scream, and make the same sounds that ship that abducts me every other week makes.

Bus Switches - oh, baby.

Merge Switches - ditto.

It's going to take a while to get over the new car "drop the clutch and make the tires squeal" mode.......I'm still only driving one voice!

Operationally, I'm satisfied. Must stop and take measurements (this is the Klee and this is the record of the Klee) and kick this thing out.

Cheers,
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It's going to take a while to get over the new car "drop the clutch and make the tires squeal" mode.......I'm still only driving one voice!

Operationally, I'm satisfied. Must stop and take measurements (this is the Klee and this is the record of the Klee) and kick this thing out.


Some fantastic ideas Scott .... Eventually there should be a "1001 Ways to Program Your Klee" book. Or "Klee for Dummies" Very Happy Very Happy ... Perhaps a Klee users forum ....... Very Happy

I like the idea of using an external CV keyboard to provide the tunings for the Klee. This would be a good application of the Integrated Keyboard Controller design created recently by myself and Antman.

I will get to some measurements this evening and post the results.

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What I've done is added an external voltage input on mine, so that position 8 of the rotary switch selects it as an input. The pot that controls the level of the range voltage is normalled to ~4V, so that if nothing is plugged into the external range voltage input, the pot is used to manually set a fixed interval. If a positive voltage is plugged into the jack, then the Klee will use that instead.

fortunately i have enough space left on my frontpanel below the range switch... i would have cried for at least the whole weekend if not.

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Scott,

That is jawdroppingly awesome. I cannot wait to start building mine.

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The "New York Based" prototype platform ......

Bill


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Looking good! Great work! Very Happy
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The "New York Based" prototype platform ......

Bill


Where did you get your pretty wire from? That is such a very nice and neat wiring job.
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Thanks Stein Very Happy Things are going fantastically well and I am happy that all the guys are excited. The Klee prototyping team is highly communicative and responsive. It's a winning combination. Scott and all of us have just about reached agreement on the final, minimal, changes to the EM-Klee circuit and printed circuit boards.

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I work at a company that builds radar and avionics gear. There is a large prototyping and electrical assembly shop in my building so I have access to many spools of wire ... Thankfully Very Happy


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That is such a very nice and neat wiring job.


Believe it or not, my Robin does a far better job than I but thanks for the nice words Shocked She is a pro at soldering 240 pin and more, fine pitch, surface mount IC's. She is a printed circuit board rework specialist at Telephonics where I work. I am so proud of her.

It's a nice combination, I design, she builds. At home, I do all my building and PCB design to keep in practice .... Very Happy

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Aaahhhh...so you're Batman. I always thought Andy was Batman. Very Happy

I bet that wire is the nice teflon insulated stuff, too, esp if your co does military work. Man, there's just nothing better on the face of this earth than that stuff, other than asparagus.

OK, here's the first posted sample from my electro-music Klee prototype. It's nothing terribly complicated - just two voices.

Output A+B is driving the Dual Late MS-20 clone in self resonance. The resonant output is passed through the CGS Wave Multiplier, then back into the second Late MS-20 filter. I've got a bit of glide on the voice - it's the high note in the sequence.

Output B is driving a Schmitz VCO3 pulse wave, through the 2040 clone filter. The filter is modulated by output A+B and an EG, the trigger of which is fired from Gate Bus 3 and the Gate is fired from Gate Bus 2. This is the "low" voice in the sequence.

The Klee is in the 8X2 Random Mode with Invert B on. This means the CV driving the low voice is a constant 16 step sequence. Because the high voice is fed from the A+B output, it's also being driven by this sequence. The noise output of the DSC2000 is plugged into the random input, so when it feeds a bit into register A, the high voice gets the random A register voltage in addition to the pattern from B. Some of the gate bus switches are set on the "A" side - so when random bits come through, it also triggers the low voice at different points in its sequence "illuminating" otherwise hidden notes.

As the sample progresses, I actually am manipulating the level input of the random signal, so I manipulate when the Klee is receptive to the random signal and when it isn't.

At the beginning, you'll hear a bit of intermittent extra triggering on the low voice - this is me flipping bus switch 13 to gate bus 2 and back to Bus 1. After that, the extra triggering comes from the introduction of random A bits from the noise source, with me occasionally flipping this switch when the mood strikes me. Part of the way through it, I unmerge gate bus 2 and that results in a burstlike rhythmic double triggering of the low voice.

After all that (whew) the real intent of the sample is to demonstrate the effect the range switch has on a sequence. I use four range switch settings throughout the sample: Minor 6th, Perfect 5th, Perfect 4th, and Major 3rd (positions 4, 3, 2, 1, respectively).

The switch sequence throughout the sample goes as follows:

Min 6th - P 5th - P 4th - Maj 3rd - P 4th - P 5th - Min 6th - P 5th - P 4th

You'll hear the range switch changes - they're fairly obvious Very Happy

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I bet that wire is the nice teflon insulated stuff, too, esp if your co does military work. Man, there's just nothing better on the face of this earth than that stuff, other than asparagus.[/quote
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You''re serious Shocked Question
I'll send you a big boxful I collected from govt surplus. I hate it because it doesn't stay in place when you bend it and its toughness makes it hard to strip without nicking the wire.
I like the kind you can strip with your teeth. Very Happy

Oh, nice demo!
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Oh, yes, I do love the stuff. I was spoiled by it because I could get it in much the same manner as Bill. When I ran out, I switched to rat shack stuff and figured out in a hurry I can't accidentally get the soldering too close to the stuff before it likes to melt. Rolling Eyes

I've got some serious industrial grade strippers, and so far they've worked well with it.

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OK, here's the first posted sample from my electro-music Klee prototype. It's nothing terribly complicated - just two voices.


I like the composition Scott. Just the right amount of glide on the high notes to. The changes in tuning range during the piece certainly keep it moving Very Happy

Maybe some future "Music made with EM Klee" CD's. Eventually we will put our soldering irons down long enough to put a few songs together.


Since the Klee is intended mainly as a controller, the sounds that are produced depend entirely upon the users equipment. It's analgous to a MIDI controller really.

Thanks for the post Scott ............ Very Happy

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