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Nord Lead 2x Piano Sound?
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JOhn_b



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Nord Lead 2x Piano Sound? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey on which of the archive sections can i find a good piano sound pleaseee?

and if you have time and like the killers/bloc party/the smiths

please check out my band

www.myspace.com/littlethoughtsband

thanks alot x
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome JOhn_b

You've been here already?

http://nm-archives.electro-music.com/020_NordLead2/024_Cat_Sven_Saur/PianoOrgan/

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ugh no i hadnt sorry im a right idiot lol which is in your opinion the best? and i just have to buy a midi 2 usb cable to get this on my nord right?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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... im a right idiot
No, you're not! You are just new here.
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...which is in your opinion the best?
That's a personal taste. Don't forget you can use more Programs in a layer, which can be handy for the sound build-up.
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... and i just have to buy a midi 2 usb cable to get this on my nord right?
I use the MidiMan 2x2. Not just the cables, but I don't know what's in your computer. Also a sequencer program can be used.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
JOhn_b wrote:
... im a right idiot
No, you're not! You are just new here.
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...which is in your opinion the best?
That's a personal taste. Don't forget you can use more Programs in a layer, which can be handy for the sound build-up.
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... and i just have to buy a midi 2 usb cable to get this on my nord right?
I use the MidiMan 2x2. Not just the cables, but I don't know what's in your computer. Also a sequencer program can be used.

Wout


thanks alot for help, so i cant just plug in nord and put files on? Is it alot harder than that?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you are able to send sysex to the synth all will work. But how are you sending sysex from your computer system?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
If you are able to send sysex to the synth all will work. But how are you sending sysex from your computer system?

Wout


erm currently im not sending any im not sure what all this sysex is im sorry im not good at this sorta stuff, i imained you plug in the nord and then set to a channel and drag them onto nord and it overwrites a sound?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sysex (System Exclusive) is a kind of file which makes the parameters of a particular synth up- and downloadable. The Sysex of the NL2 is different of the Sysex of the NL3. You'll need a program or tool on your computer, which enables you to work with the Sysex, like Nord Generator, see http://nm-archives.electro-music.com/020_NordLead2/023_Miscellaneous/NordGenerator_Editor/ and a Midi port, which is sending the Midi to your synth. The same goes for any sequencer, I believe... There are other tools, like Midi-Ox and SendSysex, but NordGen has the NL2 interface in its lay out, very handy. NordGen makes it possible to use the hard disk as an archive.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

wow!

This thread is fantastic, just what I was looking for.

Thanks for all the kind help WB.

Can you or anyone else help me a bit more?

I downloaded the sysex file I want, as well as Nord Generator.

Now what. I hooked my USB to my Tascam Us-122 (piece of shit but i was hoping it'd get the job done) and the Tascam to the Nord via MIDI.

I don't really know if that will work or what do to. If I try "Open file," Nord Gen wants .ngf. "Sysex send" did not appear to do anything. How do I get the syx file onto my Nord?

I have 2 other unrelated questions if anyone can be so kind.

1 why are the Nord forums so stupid? Not here, but if I got the official ones i gotta enter my serial # which is annoying cuz I had a bunch of questions BEFORE I bought the thing and 2 cuz that was a week ago and they still didn't activate me! What the hell it ain't national security!

2 many times when I hit HARD the sound breaks up or gets distorted. Pressing the "Velocity" button tends to make it so it's like I'm hitting HARD all the time -- sound is always loud/distorted. What I'm usually after is the opposite -- like I'm hitting soft all the time, smooth clear sound. Any easy way to do that?

Thanks for reading!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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... I downloaded the sysex file I want, as well as Nord Generator. ow what. I hooked my USB to my Tascam Us-122 (piece of shit but i was hoping it'd get the job done) and the Tascam to the Nord via MIDI. I on't really know if that will work or what do to. If I try "Open file," Nord Gen wants .ngf. "Sysex send" did not appear to do anything. How do I get the syx file onto my Nord?
I don't know anything about Tascam US-122, so I hope this part of the chain works normal. *.ngf is just plain SysEx (".syx) and, yes, the NordGenerator doesn't recognize syx files. I always open a the folder in which the program is archived and 'drag & drop' the file on the User Interface of NordGen. Try this. Take a look at the red ellipse! If you load just one name and there is more then one Patch, the file is in a way corrupt. It loads the right file, though, so the sound is also the right one.
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I have 2 other unrelated questions if anyone can be so kind. 1 why are the Nord forums so stupid? Not here, but if I got the official ones i gotta enter my serial # which is annoying cuz I had a bunch of questions BEFORE I bought the thing and 2 cuz that was a week ago and they still didn't activate me! What the hell it ain't national security!
What are the official forums? If you take a look at http://www.clavia.se/main.asp?tm=Support this is the official forum Smile
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2 many times when I hit HARD the sound breaks up or gets distorted. Pressing the "Velocity" button tends to make it so it's like I'm hitting HARD all the time -- sound is always loud/distorted. What I'm usually after is the opposite -- like I'm hitting soft all the time, smooth clear sound. Any easy way to do that? ...
There are two buttons named Velocity, although one has also written Morph in it's name. The double named knob only works when the LED is lit and there is a adjustment made to some parameters. The Velocity also only works when the Wheel is NOT set to the Morph position. The the parameter setting only react to the Wheel movements or to the ControlPedal, when connected, which can work the same as the Wheel.
The second Velocity button is only connected to the Filter Cut Off. When enabled (LED is lit) it works like a Morph only to this parameter: low Velocity is less opening the Filter then a high Velocity. The later one can only reach the value set by the FilterEnvelope Amount. When disabled the Velocity button, every touch of a key results in an open Filter Cut Off. Do you want less 'distortion', lower the value of the FilterEnvelope Amount.

Wout


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
I don't know anything about Tascam US-122


For me it doesn't work nicely for the Nord Modular PC interface, but that doesn't make it unique I guess Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject:
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About these 'official' forums...
Concerning Clavia NordLead, NordUSA has an amount of traffic of 22 posts in two-and-a-half year, the french forum about 42 in total of all Clavia gear in one year, where electro-music.com has just over 170 post about the NL in one-and-a-half year. Official or not (Clavia knows very well we exist Smile, most change to be answered is here...

BTW Yahoo lists are almost dead.

Anybody knows other lists cq forums about the subject?

Wout

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

About NordGen!
Drag & Drop also works with complete Midi banks. All Programs will be loaded as single files. If connected right concerning Midi, using the arrows on your computer keyboard and Enter will load the Programs into your synth to play them.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thank you for that excellent explanation and picture -- I can load sounds! Can't wait to check out a bunch more from the link earlier on this thread...

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome privileged,

(We forgot the welcome in our answer in this thread!)

To upload sound to your computer, don't forget to activate the upload feature at [Sysex > Receive]. Also read about the 'bug' (NordGen creates 'banks', so it adds all received Programs together at the location of one file) and how to save just single files on the computer.

Studying the settings in NordGen tells a lot about programming the Lead. Setting the mouse on a virtual knob shows the value of the parameter.

You have been at http://nm-archives.electro-music.com/020_NordLead2/ already? I will publish some more zips in a new thread, 'cause I can't reach the archive just right now... Sad

Glad to be at help. Spread the word about electro-music.com, even in Tokyo Smile (Tell your local dealer)

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: A bit of help with the nm-archives files? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This is a great site, I'm glad I found it. I am using SysEx to 'speak' with my Nord Lead 2X from my Mac but can't seem to get the files from the nm-archives site to upload.

I am able to download programs and performances from my Nord to SysEx then easily click on them an reupload them to my Nord in a different Bank (did that as a troubleshooting exercise). I can't seem to get a single one of the nm files to upload though. The only difference I can tell from the content file is that the MIDI channel is on 16 (0F in hex) instead of 1 (00) like the Native Nord ROM files. Although, that doesn't seem to make a difference when uploading those back onto my synth-I changed the MIDI channel and the Native Nord files uploaded regardless of what the MIDI channel setting was.

Any help? I too would like to get a nice piano sound without having to open Logic.

Thanks in advance!!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome m0joe

You download by 'clicking on them'. Aren't you using the [Shifty+Dump one] combination on the synth?
What tool do you use on the Mac to handle the SysEx?

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm using an M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB Interface with my Mac.

Shift + Dump One is what I use to transfer a file from my Nord to SysEx. But to get a file from my computer to my Nord is what I am having problems with. I seem to be able to do it if the .sys file orignated on my Nord (taken using shift+dump one) but not the .sys files from the nm-archives site.

Should the Nord be in a particular mode to accept sysex files? Does the MIDI channel matter?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The SysEx is uploaded in a buffer in the synth, which means it works sort of global and not Midi channel dependent, so if it works with the downloaded ones, why not with the archive files?

Are you clicking the files directly on the internet page or fron the computer?
Maybe you have to upload from the internet page to the computer first?

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is a video demonstration of what I am doing. Thanks a lot for your time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIhU5ihRPIw
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't see you're doing something wrong in the video...

Can you send the two Programs (Untiteled and the downloaded Analog Clav) to me? Just as they are now on your computer.

BTW is this with all the archive Programs?

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The "Untitled" file is the one from my Nord.

I downloaded a few different archive files and could not get any of them to work.

The byte contents of the files look exactly like the Nord file except for the Device ID (Global MIDI Channel).


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ANALOG CLAV 001.syx
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

At the moment I have to make some diner to the family, but this evening I'm gonna try things out...

The funny thing is you are the first NL2X user with this trouble. It could be nobody ever uploaded the archive yet, but that's a little to strange Smile

No NordLead2X user reported this trouble before (besides our ranting boy, of course Wink

Really! Is there somebody who had success uploading?

Wout

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So, I connected the NordLead again and tried everything I could and maybe I have a solution.

To the NordLead2 all works fine, also the Program you downloaded from the synth to the computer (untitled) and they were all upload able!!!

What you could try...
On the active Slot (blinking led) press [Shift+2xMidi CH] to go into Midi Global. Set this to G.16 (using up&down) and press [Shift] again.
Try to upload the file...

Try also to upload a $03 = 00 file like 'untitled'...

I'll be waiting Smile

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

THAT WORKED!!!!! Switching the Global MIDI Channel worked!!


Thank you so very much!!
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