After the G2

Derek Cook · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:41 am Post subject:

Hi, I didn't realise you could add non-Yamaha synths to Studio manager! Shocked

Would appreciate you sharing the scripts and how to do it.

dorremifasol · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:02 am Post subject:

First you need to download the "Generic Total Recall Component", which provides an editor for your own scripts. It comes with some examples.

http://www.studioconnections.org/download/index.html

I'll attach my Nord scripts tonight, now I'm at the office Rolling Eyes

gomidas · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:13 am Post subject:

BobTheDog · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:26 am Post subject:

Hi Albert,

A Bit OT but I see you have a 01X, fancy buying a backup one and maybe an I88X?

Andy

dorremifasol · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:30 am Post subject:

Hi Andy,

I have both the 01X and i88x, and while I like them very much I don't have space in my room for another two.

Besides, I have also thought about selling them to have more space. Confused

but mLan is so powerful that I haven't found anything that could replace it.

BobTheDog · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:33 am Post subject:

Ok, thats a shame, mine need a good home to go to.

I loved mLan on XP as well but they never got it working properly on the mac, so when I moved ship I stopped using them.

Not many people seem to want these units now which is a shame as they where pretty good bits of Kit let down by bad drivers.

Cheers

Andy

dorremifasol · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:41 am Post subject:

The latest drivers should work very well on the Mac, or so I have read here:

http://www.01xray.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=7&Board=01X_Macintosh

You can download them from here:

http://www.mlancentral.com/

Just give it another chance Smile

buzzr · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:43 am Post subject:

NAMM 2008? Maybe a new Nord Modular?

Small like the Micro Modular with 10 times the DSP Smile

)))

I'm waiting. Guess I'll be waiting forever...

Time to patch some more..

BobTheDog · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:58 am Post subject:

dorremifasol · Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

Here are my GTRC devices for Studio Manager, including the Nord Rack 2X, Nord Rack 3, Nord Modular G2 and Waldorf Blofeld.

In order to finish the data transfer in the G2 component when receiving, you must press any key on the keyboard controller. That's because its SYSEX messages don't have a fixed length, so you have to end them that way.

May they be useful to someone.

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my Generic Total Recall Component devices for Studio Manager

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Derek Cook · Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:24 am Post subject:

CaptainPoopface · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:47 am Post subject:

I have dabbled in Reaktor and Max/MSP and essentially agree with what has already been said. They are more versatile and powerful, but I seem to spend much more time figuring out my bugs and glitches. Very often, I fall into the trap of getting bogged down in the dry details and losing focus on the musical / creative aspect. While this is probably a foible we all have, Max and Reaktor definitely exacerbate it for me.

That is why the G2 is more rewarding to work with. You can develop a prototype for an idea rapidly compared to other platforms. Of course, that might be due to my lack of experience, but other people seem to echo this sentiment.

I sorely wish the G2 could handle audio sampling and looping without our elaborate workarounds, but it's still my desert island box, because I think it's the best balance I've found between allowing tremendous technical freedom while not getting in the way of making music. And essentially all I do with the G2 is audio effects and MIDI processing!

dasz · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:23 am Post subject:

Derek Cook · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:08 am Post subject:

purusha · Joined: Mar 13, 2008 Posts: 131 Location: Ilkley

I absolutely love my G2 (which I bought 2nd hand from someone on this forum).

It's become a main-stay in my setup, both live and studio.

The flexibility is just phenomenal.

So long as I continue to have a way to edit patches, I'll continue to use it.

I do wish Clavia would get the official Vista editor out the door though!

Funky40 · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

2 Years ago i turned away from using Computers to make music.
so i also turned away from my G2 engine, and i got deeper and deeper into hardware modular.
Last week i built a Doepfer midi controller ( + input output modul ) which is placed in my Modularsynth, it's mainly built for my engine.
2 Days ago i used it the first time with my engine: Very Happy

My Engine will get now its second live, now as a FX unit for my Hardware modular.
and i'm amazed.................big cinema the engine as a FX unit.
If i could afford it, i would get immediately a G2 Keyboard.

@Tim
very interesting post, thanks

Eag · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:35 am Post subject:

Ever since it first started looking like the G2 was being discontinued, I've been thinking on and off about exactly what Mosc's asking here - roughly speaking "I love the G2, but someday, it'll be impractical to keep using. What then?"

I'm nowhere near as good at synthesis as most of the people here, but I use my G2 extensively in live contexts, and can't imagine going back to a more limited patching environment, after the G2.

Like everyone else, I plan on using my G2X until the sad day it finally dies - it's just an amazing keyboard, with immense patching flexibility, and great real-time control.

However, at least from what I've seen of the current market, finding a good replacement for my G2 will take quite a lot of thinking and planning, so I've started pondering it a bit now.

NoiseLab · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:17 am Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:19 am Post subject:

BobTheDog · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:36 am Post subject:

Or one of these if it ever comes out, runs Modular III and has a sdk.

http://www.sonic-core.net/en/products/xite-1.html

GovernorSilver · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:54 am Post subject:

Gotta love Symbolic Sound. Still here after all those years, and everyone who's dealt with them raves about their customer service.

The first time I heard about the Nord Modular (G1), a couple of guys were going with the Nord over the Kyma despite the reduced feature set (esp. regarding sampling), because of the Nord offered knobs and other hardware UI niceties.

I think its a safe bet Symbolic Sound will get something out before Sonic Core does, and it will be more stable to boot.

cebec · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:39 am Post subject:

I am extremely excited about the new Kyma hardware. I sold my 320 system last year to finance some other things and have been waiting and hoping for a successor ever since. Seems like that news was leaked, though, and pulled in the meantime while we wait for the formal launch. The new pricing structure / performance ratio sounds promising, too!

mosc · Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject:

Good posts... Very Happy

That Symbolic Sound new hardware does indeed look very exciting. I have a Kyma system. IMHO, the Kyma software will resonate with very many NM patchers though, from an ease-of-use perspective.

A NM emulator that compiled code for a Symbolic Sound engine would be pretty cool though, and quite within the technical capabilities of our members. The Kyma system is very open, so there would be no need to reverse engineer the Kyma. But, unfortunately the Kyma software is hardware dependent.

So, I think the first goal should be to make a G2-like patching environment whose target is the general purpose computer. Preferably the NM would compile VST instruments, so they can be integrated in a nice performance environment. Then, maybe it could be ported to other hardware platforms.

Update on my experiments:

I've been kicking the tires on Ableton Live 7 for over a month now and I'm in love with that program. I'm planning on writing up my thoughts about Live in the near future.

Also, SynthMaker is quite nice - understatement. A G2 like interface could be built using SM. IMHO, SM is appropriate for a G2 patcher, but SM is much more flexible. For example, it has wave table and sample capability. You can do sample accurate DSP and write code directly, even in assembler if you really want. There is a code module, with IOs like any module. Like the G2, SM has poly/mono modes to conserve resources, but SM lets you set POLY/MONO mode on any module in a patch. This is better than the G2's POLY/MONO areas, IMHO.

I don't know how exactly one could do it, but it might be possible to take the G2 patch files and convert them to a SM synth. Just a thought. Cool

BobTheDog · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:42 am Post subject:

I must admit when I looked at Synthmaker I was very impressed, the user interface is very good.

It's just a shame they haven't got a mac version, if they did I would buy it straight away.

Andy

dasz · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject:

mosc, what a great idea. thanks for making me think about something different than the G2 ...

I'm off performing tonight!!! There will be a recording and video if things go well...
/Dasz