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Gothboy
Joined: Feb 21, 2006 Posts: 369 Location: Santa Monica, Ca.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:06 am Post subject:
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Is it possible to edit patches on a Roland D-50 using a midi controller like the Novation Remote Zero SL? CCs or sysex? _________________ Apple Mac Pro 3.1 2.88 GHz. Intel Xeon Quad
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abstraktor
Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Posts: 190 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:23 am Post subject:
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I was going to post a similar topic - to see if anyone had an remote sl zero template for a cheetah ms6. If I remember, the D50 could hook up to a pgm controller, which i assume was CC. The only problem that I can forsee with that era of roland synths was that you had to disconnect the MIDI in from your sequencer to plug in the hardware pgm editors...this might mean you'll need a multi in/out MIDI interface, because I'm not sure whether the novation's USB MIDI wil transfer CC's directly..or whether you need to hook it up thru its standard MIDI out.
You'll need a D50 manual to match the parameters to their MIDI CC number to write your own template in the novation though. I'm going to make one up for the MS6 so I'll let you know how I get on. |
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Gothboy
Joined: Feb 21, 2006 Posts: 369 Location: Santa Monica, Ca.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:05 am Post subject:
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Oh, thank you for posting! The D-50 used the PG-1000 controller. They're pretty rare these days and go for up to $400.00 on Ebay.
The PG-1000 didn't use CC it used sysex to communicate with the D-50 from what I understand. I did a little reading up on it....but what I'm not clear on is how to make a template using sysex in the template editor software though with the software there is a sysex option. I just don't know what info has to be put in there for each parameter. The Novation Remote Zero SL can work with both software and hardware and as long as there is an interface and a cable it theoretically can control anything midi in my studio. I have an 8in 8out Midisport interface running to all my hardware synths.
I have the D-50 manual but there's no info midi-wise as to how to do this so that's where I'm stuck. _________________ Apple Mac Pro 3.1 2.88 GHz. Intel Xeon Quad
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abstraktor
Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Posts: 190 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:02 am Post subject:
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I stand corrected on the CC point. Sysex is a pain.
why not try contacting novation support?
just had a quick look at the novation sl manual, and you can create a template for sysex remote editing, but it demands a certain level of knowledge in sysex programming, particularly the sysex id's of every parameter you want to add to the template. Maybe the d50 manual has these listed at the end...or maybe the pg1000 manual has. Unfortunately, the Roland legacy manual site is offline at the mo'.. |
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Gothboy
Joined: Feb 21, 2006 Posts: 369 Location: Santa Monica, Ca.
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:37 am Post subject:
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Well, I now have the PG-1000 manual. While it does have a list of all the editable parameters it doesn't have the sysex IDs needed to create a sysex control template. I'll continue to look around the internet and try contacting Novation but support there isn't the greatest on current products let alone a 23 year old LA synth.
You'll probably have a much easier time with the Cheetah. Apparently it worked with Unisyn and other midi controllers. I also have an Alesis QS6 that I'd like to get working with the Remote. It also used Unisyn and I actually have the Unisyn program from when I got it but it only works on OS9, is buggy and it's all mouse movements which I'm actually trying to get away from. That's why I got the Remote in the first place. _________________ Apple Mac Pro 3.1 2.88 GHz. Intel Xeon Quad
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abstraktor
Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Posts: 190 Location: glasgow, scotland
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:00 am Post subject:
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yes, I tried out the midiquest editor to see if i could avoid doing a manual cc set up in logic, but it didnt seem to want to alter parameters in real time, so I created a new enviroment in logic for the ms6...which didnt work at all well. (This is before I bought the Remote, and was trying to use an Axiom 49 as a controller - bad idea).
I do have the list of edit parameters/cc numbers for the ms6, so hopefully it shouldnt be too hard to write a template in the remote.
There must be a way to get the d50 to send the SL remote the sysex info needed-maybe pull them out of your midi system and just link them up in/out and out/in so that they "handshake" and then dump sysex into the remote. The manual doesnt really give enough detail about sysex (I've started reading "The Advanced MIDI users guide" by R.A. Penfold to refresh my midi knowledge ).
Yep, the novation support is minimal and as for the forum........ |
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abstraktor
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:52 am Post subject:
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well....after a short but steep learning curve I created a CC template for the MS6 on the novation remote and it works (more or less) flawlessly. I tested it recording MIDI straight into Logic while multilple tweaking and all parameter changes playback fine. Creating a template based on sysex functions seems to be much the same (but only if you can get the parameter id's ).
It's turned the Cheetah into a Juno! (knobs!). |
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Gothboy
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject:
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Glad to hear it! Awesome. See, the hardware synths I want to use the remote with(Roland D2, Alesis QS6, D-50) all require sysex info I don't have. My Nordlead 2 and Novation Nova have knobs and I like tweaking them right on the units themselves so there's really no need but I might have a go with the Nord Micromodular. I was able to find out that I can tweak a few parameters of the Roland D2 from my Radium61. _________________ Apple Mac Pro 3.1 2.88 GHz. Intel Xeon Quad
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talkboxert
Joined: Oct 08, 2008 Posts: 16 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject:
more SL Remote sysex talk Subject description: tech |
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I had some experience with programming behringers BCR2000 before I got my SL. Bacically, it should be much easier setting up the SL for sysex then the BCR, especially on mac, where I had no working BCR editor. (did some hardcore text file hacking)
For most synths the sysex implementation can be found online, or in the manual. If not they can be recorded/analyzed from an existing software-editor or sometimes from the device itself.
I'm trying now to control the JX8P, no succes so far,
found a nice matrix 1000 editor as well, but too bad all the templates are scattered all over the net...
Would maybe be nice if everyone who wrote a working hardware editor would upload it to one central place. I saw you guys talking about cheetah, and maybe future D50 editors
For instance the file section of "RemoteSl" yahoo group (smaller than "NovationRemoteSL" but spam free and allready some nice editors there)
also just now some discussions going on there about the same subject...
If anyone can help with the jx8 sysex in the SL let me know, the format seems different from matrix 1000/evolver sysex format I programmed before.... |
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