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Electro Harmonix - Percussion Effects Pedals (Schematics)
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Scruffie



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:55 pm    Post subject: Electro Harmonix - Percussion Effects Pedals (Schematics) Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey All, New Here but i've been around a few other forums, some of you might recognise me.

Anyway, Hope this is the right place for this... had a bit of a difficulty working out the forum after I was pointed here by someone else.

I've been working on bringing back all the Vintage Electro Harmonix Effects and converting them to modern available components and here are all the vintage schematics i've redrawn from the hard to read originals:

(Can't seem to add pictures so i've just added links for now)

* Removed at Admins Request untill Further Notice

If you have any of these, or the Rolling Thunder Gut Shots would be appreciated, I also have gut shots of a Panic Button that needs tracing to provide a schematic if anyone wants to take the challenge.

Hope some people find some use for these!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

you are awesome! thanks for taking this on, i'm excited to try some of these out!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i own a Super Space Drum and the Clap Track.

even have the external drum trigger.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

SPIKE the Percussionist wrote:
i own a Super Space Drum and the Clap Track.

even have the external drum trigger.


Do you think you could provide decent Gut Shots of Both Sides of the Board? It'd help me verify the possibly Flawed factory schematics Smile

inlifeindeath wrote:
you are awesome! thanks for taking this on, i'm excited to try some of these out!

Thanks!

Be warned though... only the Sonic Boomer schematic is known to work, I don't know of anyone that's build the others.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yeah that's a cool project!
unfortunately i do not have any of the devices to provide shots.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

nice one. many thanks. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm sure that the Space Drum circuit is correct - I got it from the designer!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for making these available

If anyone wants to etch a PCB, there is a PCB layout plus BOM/schematic/info for the Sonic Boomer here:

http://topopiccione.atspace.com/PJ09EHSonicBoomer.html

You can buy the Rolling Thunder schematic for $5 from this site:

http://ronsound.com/forums.html?main_page=index&cPath=11_18&sort=20a&page=3
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

julianw wrote:
Thanks for making these available

If anyone wants to etch a PCB, there is a PCB layout plus BOM/schematic/info for the Sonic Boomer here:

http://topopiccione.atspace.com/PJ09EHSonicBoomer.html

You can buy the Rolling Thunder schematic for $5 from this site:

http://ronsound.com/forums.html?main_page=index&cPath=11_18&sort=20a&page=3

And I made a very quick and unverified Vero Layout for it (Definitley Needs Checking Before Building)

Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.

Now if only I had $5 spare to gamble Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Guys, I hate to be a killjoy, but considering EH still make pedals and stuff, has anyone contacted them to ask their permission for posting this stuff here?

Cheers.

Tom Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

v-un-v wrote:
Guys, I hate to be a killjoy, but considering EH still make pedals and stuff, has anyone contacted them to ask their permission for posting this stuff here?

Cheers.

Tom Smile

The pedals here are well out of production and were never re-issued, EHX seemingly has no plans to do so as such also.

Also, these are my drawings, Copyright is complex.

I wouldn't however, get involved in any way with there in production pedals and designs, that would be putting my tip toes over the proverbial line.

I do understand the concern, but I don't think there is any to be had here Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Scruffie wrote:
Copyright is complex.


Yes, we've been here before- concerning the EMS saga.

These may be your drawings, but those photographs of those boards are NOT yours.

If you were to modify an existing design, then there wouldn't be a problem, but EH also post here on electro-music.com. I wouldn't like to upset them. If they have decided not to reproduce a product, then you must respect their wishes. All you need to do is contact them and ask. Otherwise I will have no other option but to pull the thread. Okay?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hm, EH post here, whatd'ya know!

Yeah, most forums have gone through a similar copyright discussion if anything at some point, i'm well aware, Photographs are fair game in my book, but it's not my place to say what's fair game for this forum, so to save hassle, i'll just remove them.

I was directed over here by someone else that suggested it as a plausible place where people might be interested in dissecting these old designs, but I am more frequent on forums where this sort of thing is less of an concern, when it was suggested, I sort of assumed it wouldn't be an issue, my mistake.

The intent is to modify the existing designs just to clarify, most of these use parts that are long extinct and the second hand market has soured most peoples chances of ever using the pedals, hence, conversion and the option for people interested in DIY to try them. So maybe once i've finished, i'll put them back up in there new forms, for now, so long.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Cheers Scruffie. Your a dude! Very Happy Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

v-un-v wrote:
Guys, I hate to be a killjoy, but considering EH still make pedals and stuff, has anyone contacted them to ask their permission for posting this stuff here?

Cheers.

Tom Smile


Shocked I have to admit I'm getting slightly annoyed by these 'forum rules' that are more stritct than (these days very strict) copyright etc. laws...

I personally study a subject in an university related to copyright/ IPR matters and all this just seems too much.

Btw, I own a lot of Elektroharmonix pedals and respect the company, but who really cares if someone posts schematics one has drawn himself (and thus own the copyright/ industrial property rights to that drawing) of an item that was produced 30 years ago and there are no plans to reissue it.
I don't get this.

Man, we wouldn't have many projects around this forum if permission would had to be asked from the original designer/ enterprise every time... And if we are on the legal side anyway when the patents are long expired and the schematics on patents are public anyway...
So what is the point of trying to be overly nice to enterprises who just make money and most of them would be doing anything that's legal anyway to enhance their business... And there's behringer etc. who copy other's designs without mercy. Get the drift?

Btw, I've really liked this forum and also provided some layouts and drawn a schematic or two here... I also respect people like Scott Stites a lot for what he has done and for the awesome projects he has provided.
I'm sorry to announce I won't be publishing any of my layouts or schematics from now on...
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

softfin wrote:

I'm sorry to announce I won't be publishing any of my layouts or schematics from now on...


I'm sorry to hear that softfin.

But perhaps you are forgetting that this forum is now enormous (thanks largely to good people like yourself), compared to the size it was 5 or so years back and because of that it attracts more attention from others, including commercial companies (we have advertising, if you haven't noticed). I can't speak for site admin, but I would imagine the last thing they would want is to scare away any potential sponsor, because electro-music.com is seen as a place where a company's past (or current) work can be freely downloadable/ made available for download on the same forum.

I told scruffie that there wasn't a problem with reproducing redrawn schematics. I also said that there wasn't a problem with the stripboard reproductions. What I did have a problem with though were the photographs of original PCB's providing layouts of components and design of the copper tracks underneath, but Scruffie chose to take all of it down. That wasn't my choice.

But the other thing, and this is an important point imo, just sharing and reproducing old schematics is hardly innovating is it? electro-music.com has seen some mind blowing innovations in DIY. True, many ideas have come from the mainstream (Ian's Threeler was loosely based on the MS20 filter), but one thing that has really made this forum so great- especially in its DIY section are all the fresh ideas and designs coming from some white hot engineers.

Please reconsider. It would be awful to see you go Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi again,

Well, I don't want to stir up things or be a smartass, but the copyright/ IPR of photographs is always owned by the photographer and no one else.

Say, if I'll take photo of Mona lisa, that photo is mine, but of course I can't reproduce it in full size and sell as the original. Simple as that.

Btw, in my opinion studying old designs is useful.

And I understand the situation with sponsors, but how far is wise to go?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

softfin wrote:
Hi again,

Well, I don't want to stir up things or be a smartass, but the copyright/ IPR of photographs is always owned by the photographer and no one else.

Say, if I'll take photo of Mona lisa, that photo is mine, but of course I can't reproduce it in full size and sell as the original. Simple as that.

Btw, in my opinion studying old designs is useful.

And I understand the situation with sponsors, but how far is wise to go?

That is my view and the laws view but if it's a forum rule, there was no point fighting it. I appologised to v-un-v and there's no bad blood.

I Took them down after the first part when I thought i'd been asked to but now I know the schematics are allowed.

I will put the schematic redraws back up, just hadn't gotten round to it yet, got another to redraw now anyway so i'll do that and then put them back, it would be nice if the accompanying photos could be added to help the project along, but that's not my call.

If anyone can help me trace them or has pictures to add PM me and it could be done in private though, keeps the pictures off the forum and gets the work done.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Scruffie wrote:

That is my view and the laws view but if it's a forum rule, there was no point fighting it. I appologised to v-un-v and there's no bad blood.

I Took them down after the first part when I thought i'd been asked to but now I know the schematics are allowed.

I will put the schematic redraws back up, just hadn't gotten round to it yet, got another to redraw now anyway so i'll do that and then put them back, it would be nice if the accompanying photos could be added to help the project along, but that's not my call.

If anyone can help me trace them or has pictures to add PM me and it could be done in private though, keeps the pictures off the forum and gets the work done.


Smile No bad feelings about anything here either, just had to express my opinion. Can't hurt, might be even useful, who knows.

Btw, I guess you know this already, but it is best rename the schematics to something else than the original company's product name, so there can't be any potential trademark issues.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

softfin wrote:
Scruffie wrote:

That is my view and the laws view but if it's a forum rule, there was no point fighting it. I appologised to v-un-v and there's no bad blood.

I Took them down after the first part when I thought i'd been asked to but now I know the schematics are allowed.

I will put the schematic redraws back up, just hadn't gotten round to it yet, got another to redraw now anyway so i'll do that and then put them back, it would be nice if the accompanying photos could be added to help the project along, but that's not my call.

If anyone can help me trace them or has pictures to add PM me and it could be done in private though, keeps the pictures off the forum and gets the work done.


Smile No bad feelings about anything here either, just had to express my opinion. Can't hurt, might be even useful, who knows.

Btw, I guess you know this already, but it is best rename the schematics to something else than the original company's product name, so there can't be any potential trademark issues.

Smile All Good, Hopefully things will change, I can understand the conservative stand point but it's not my way.

Huh, no I didn't, not a bad idea! Although I really, really doubt they care about these 30 years out of production boxes that there's very few of any way. But as you say, can't hurt.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

To call a redrawn circuit by another name is not that clever. If Mike Matthews objected to his 30 year old circuits being published I'm sure that he would have said so Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

StephenGiles wrote:
To call a redrawn circuit by another name is not that clever.


Yep, but that's just a way of avoiding any possibilities of potential trademark infringement, although such an issue is very unlikelly. I don't think it's an absolutely necessarity, more like a precaution, because trademarks are very long lasting compared to other type of IPR.
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