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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:17 am Post subject:
Paradigm X wrote:
Excuse my ignorance, but the midibox stuff confuses the heck out of me (all the various AOUTS etc....)
I think the MIDIbox people like it that way! Scares off the undevoted...
There are three AOUT modules, the original AOUT, which is the most precise (best pitch control for VCOs), the LC ("low cost") that only has two channels, and the NG ("Next generation") that provides a balance of cost and performance.
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Is this thing you linked usable as a generic trigger sequencer, or is it specific to the TR9090 project?
MIDIbox sequencers can be configured with MIDI and/or triggers. You'll have to ask Jef what all he's doing with it...
Regards,
Doug _________________ Once you start down the modular path, forever will it dominate your destiny!
Excuse my ignorance, but the midibox stuff confuses the heck out of me (all the various AOUTS etc....)
Is this thing you linked usable as a generic trigger sequencer, or is it specific to the TR9090 project?
If so it looks ideal!
cheers, Ben
Ben,
yes, within the Midibox firmware, it should be possible to connect an AOUT board like you mentioned and have 8 CV outputs and gates. up to 64 (1ms) drum triggers should also be possible.
I am writing "should be possible" because I have not yet tested these features. And you should also know that the user interface and control surface are (being) designed for drum sequencing.
If someone will make 909 boards I will be in for bass-drum PCB.
I dream about to collect several bass-drums in one case with midi-cv, mixer and compressor. Already have 808 and Hip bass. _________________ http://L-1.su
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:52 am Post subject:
L-1 wrote:
If someone will make 909 boards I will be in for bass-drum PCB.
I dream about to collect several bass-drums in one case with midi-cv, mixer and compressor. Already have 808 and Hip bass.
Richard2000 on a dutch forum is almost done with a 909 kick PCB:
- bare PCB 25E
- PCB with board components, jacks, pots and knobs 65E
- complete kit with panel 90E
- assembled PCB with jacks, pots and knobs 120E
- Working eurorack module (2 year warranty indeed) 150E
Don't bother with the forum, just email "Richard2000 at hotmail dot com" directly. _________________ -Jim Last edited by jumunius on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:56 am; edited 1 time in total
Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 272 Location: Tucson, AZ, USA
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:37 am Post subject:
I'm testing out the individual circuits now, and I decided it would be fun to make a little distortion circuit to go along with the voices. I found this video with the kick through several different pedals:
EDIT: Here are the devices tested:
1 Dunlop Fuzz Face
2 Electro-Harmonix Metal Muff
3 Maxon OD-9
4 Boss OS-2
5 Boss DS-1
6 Boss DS-2
7 Pro Co RAT
8 Tech 21 VT Bass
9 MXR bass d.i.+
10 Electro Harmonix English Muff'n
11 Moog MF-101
12 Electro Harmonix Bass Big Muff Pi
13 Electron SidStation
Which ones are your favorites? Any others I should test?
Regards,
Doug _________________ Once you start down the modular path, forever will it dominate your destiny!
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:32 am Post subject:
Dougster wrote:
I'm testing out the individual circuits now, and I decided it would be fun to make a little distortion circuit to go along with the voices. I found this video with the kick through several different pedals:
Great idea Doug!
Dunlop Fuzz Face -- Best all-around heavily colored sound; seems classic
Bass Big Muff -- Good. More mellow, synthy sound
Tech 21 VT Bass -- Best tight, squashed/compressed sound _________________ -Jim
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:48 am Post subject:
My favorites so far are 1, 2, 5, 7 and 12...
I'm amazed at how simple some of the designs are. Very cool what they came up with! Maybe some day when I retire, I'll try to track down the names of the designers and build some kind of tribute web site...
Regards,
Doug
P.S. Hiya Skrogster! _________________ Once you start down the modular path, forever will it dominate your destiny!
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject:
Dunlop Fuzz Face -- rude, brutal, in your face
Tech 21 VT Bass -- tight and almost polite (probably my fav)
Electro Harmonix Bass Big Muff Pi -- sounds classic
I do wonder if some of those might not sound different/better with the gain turned up a bit. Some of them were kind of surprisingly weak sounding, like the Moogerfooger. Could just be the way it is, though. _________________ Looking for a certain ratio since 1978
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:20 pm Post subject:
emdot_ambient wrote:
Dunlop Fuzz Face -- rude, brutal, in your face
Tech 21 VT Bass -- tight and almost polite (probably my fav)
Electro Harmonix Bass Big Muff Pi -- sounds classic
I do wonder if some of those might not sound different/better with the gain turned up a bit. Some of them were kind of surprisingly weak sounding, like the Moogerfooger. Could just be the way it is, though.
Good choices. Regarding the Moogerfooger, I had the same thought. This made me want to try 909 samples with my MF101 to see if I got better results (haven't gotten around to it yet). Usually it overdrives pretty nicely. But in any case it's a poor choice for Doug's purpose -- if we want a Moog filter (and who doesn't?) it's better to build a separate module. Simple is best here.
And meanwhile, some of them sounded usable in small amounts but quickly veered too far for my liking. IIRC that was true of the Rat which started out nicely for the first couple hits but I felt it got flabby sounding quickly. In general it could be good for some purposes but wasn't a sound I'd build into the module. But to each their own.
(And here's another one for me to try -- I have Rat modded with a variation on some standard Keeley etc mods; maybe some of the mods would steer things better? But in any case the classic Rat uses unobtanium so not the best choice again.) _________________ -Jim
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject:
Just as I thought -- if you use the Moogerfooger for its Drive rather than its Cutoff sweep, you get a really nice result, which I'd put up against the best of them. No idea what the drive circuit is all about though.
FWIW I tried my modded Rat, and overall I liked it in the same way as I did with the youtube test -- nice and brutal as long as the drive stayed tighter, flabby as it extended the decay of the sample.
And a Tech 21 Sans Amp Bass had some nice effects when I played with mixing in the original signal.
Anyways, all I got around to doing was recording the Moogerfooger. Note that I didn't spend any time fretting over particular samples, I just used the ones that came standard with the EXS-24, starting with one and switching to the other halfway through the clip.
Another thought -- the overdrive on the Simple LPG that people have been discussing over on Muff sounds pretty good for this purpose. It's just a simple germanium diode and FET transistor deal IIRC.
909_DistortionTests.mp3
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2 Logic 909 kick samples thru MF-101, sweeping Drive pot
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:45 pm Post subject:
At some point, all of these tests are a bit contrived. There will be so many settings that aren't explored in the recordings, yet they sound great to someone. That's why I like circuits more than samples, you get to explore a lot more variations...
Hmm, maybe I should try to expand my horizons and get back to Muff's. Last time I was really there was when they were lynching (figuratively of course) Peter Grenader. There are so many other cool forums too, once you get started, it's easy to overload...
Regards,
Doug _________________ Once you start down the modular path, forever will it dominate your destiny!
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:26 am Post subject:
Dougster wrote:
At some point, all of these tests are a bit contrived. There will be so many settings that aren't explored in the recordings, yet they sound great to someone. That's why I like circuits more than samples, you get to explore a lot more variations...
Indeed. I just was surprised that the guy neglected the drive knob which was after all what his whole test was about. But you are right, these tests are never truly scientific or all-encompassing.
Dougster wrote:
Hmm, maybe I should try to expand my horizons and get back to Muff's. Last time I was really there was when they were lynching (figuratively of course) Peter Grenader. There are so many other cool forums too, once you get started, it's easy to overload...
This Shaka Braddah III is I believe what the guy used as a source for his LPG. (He simplified it so it was just a switch on/off deal.) I bought some parts to make one, and if I ever get around to breadboarding it, I will run a 909 kick through it for the heck of it. _________________ -Jim
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject:
Actually, this is the LPG with passive overdrive and it's quite a bit simplified from the Shaka Brada. As it was so simple, I tried breadboarding the clipper portion today but I couldn't get it working.
For my own purposes, I'm going to build myself a bunch of passive diode clippers (Ge, Zener, LED, 14148, in various configurations and series) and call it a day. These all sound varying degrees of great with a 909 kick for what it's worth. _________________ -Jim
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Ive seen your page already but will keep watching the beta test etc.
cool.
