Apple drops IBM PowerPC line for Intel chips

[Kassen]

[craftid]

[Kassen]

It's all image. You can call it "know" or "hope" depending on the context if you wish. Some people are having huge problems with audio on Mac's. For a while on the Ableton boards former Mac users were migrating to pc/Windows in doves because of instablity and crappy performance.

You'll run into technological problems sooner or later, particularly in electronic music if at that point you are not "technocally aware" then what do you do?

I realy wonder why Mac users can't just say they like Mac and have to come up with strange reasonings unaware that the rest of the world *is* "technologically aware" and sees through them. The G series of processors was presented as superior untill even Apple switched. MacOS was supposed to have superior networking to everything else back when one user holding a mouse button could bring down the entire network, hell, it was supposed to be stable before it even had memory protection (that means save your program often because when debuging you won't go for a hour without rebooting). It's supposed to "just work" except that it works with very few things and is closed source so nobody can get it to work with anything else either. It's supposed to be free of viruses yet has many virus scanners available. Running it is supposed to be like some act of resistance against Microsoft (I realy hear that one a lot) yet Microsoft is by far the largest share-holder (it owns half of apple). There is no link at all between what's atributed to Mac's and what they actually are and do. The one property Apple users often mention that I think they are being honest about is price, most of the time that's used to excuse warez, however. "I bought I mac and now I'm broke so I *have* to use warez".....

It's perfectly fine if you like them, I understand. I like OS/2 but I came to realise that I liked it because I was used to it and it was my first real OS. It doesn't realy matter that it's one of the only things suitable for controling nuclear reactors with as OS/2 advocates like to tell you because I don't actually run a nuclear reactor. It's in fact completely irrelevant, if it wasn't suitable for running nuclear reactors I'd still like it because I'm used to it and it did what it needed to do (mainly play DOS games, back then).

Why is it so hard to say you just like it? Why do Mac people have to be so difficult about it, almost as difficult as Amiga people? I never hear Windows users explain the virtues of their O.S.... I remember back in highschool kids used to say they didn't care about the Nike brand as a brand and just bought quality. They needed new pairs of shoes about three times as often as I did wearing the boots I've always worn but they maintained they were after quality. It's silly, just admit you like Nike design and are willing to spend the extra cash to be just like your friends and relax about it. It's ok.

[Kassen]

Sorry, that wasn't directed at craftid, realy.

It's more of a general reaction to some very strange conversations I have quite often. When I play live and bring my pc laptop it's quite often that people come up to me and start conversations with phrases like "we don't see that many pc's here" or "so, you use a pc? why?" After which totally rediculous conversations start.

"Why do you use a pc?"

"Well, I'm used to them and they run Live quite well"

"Live runs on Mac too"

"Yeah, but not as well"

"Does that matter? how many tracks are you using?"

"I dunno, between 4 and 12, mostly but with some haavy synths"

"You could easily run that many on a Mac and if you run out you could always get a [exotic dual processor desktop, that's just out]"

"Sure, but I can't afford that much money and I can't bring a desktop, this one cost about a 1000euro three years ago, that desktop costs 5000 now"

"Ok, but I like how OSX looks now with all the [mention weird feature that looks flashy]"

"That's cool, but I like simple looks"

ETC, ETC, ETC at nausium. I have to have this conversation about every third gig.

On one particularly baffeling occasion this guy came up to the stage.

"Hi, you are use a Mac too!"

"No, I'm using a pc"

"No, this is a Mac"

"I'm quite sure it's not, realy."

"No, this is a Mac!"
*pulls on schreen from over the table untill the laptop starts to slide".

*grab laptop before it falls, put it back."
"It's a PC, realy, trust me, I know." (in a rather firm tone).

*Wanders off".

Why do people do that? A close friend of mine is a web designer. He recently got promoted to also do som print stuff and they now gave him a Mac to work on figuring he needs one because "he does something creative" (reportedly). Last thing I heard about it he was allowed to keep his trusty pc workstation next to it. He wrote how he was going to decorate the Mac case with paper bunny ears and leave carrots on his desk for it, that was the last I heard of that computer. I don't understand this; I never see Windows people force Windows on everybody, I'm not stroling around installing Debian on unatended PC's, hell, I only open conversations with performers if I'm exited that they use something I use too, not explaining they use the wrong thing!

[GovernorSilver]

[GovernorSilver]

[Kassen]

[craftid]

I love my Mac, and I love OS X.
I do think they are better computers, and if I talk about the amount of problems I've had on an OS X system compared to an XP one... there is no comparison.
I've got some "technical know how" and when it's needed, is easier to figure out on the Mac imo.
I would be lying if I said it didn't feel cool to open up the brand new iBook case and go through the whole new computer thing. And yes, I'll admit, for a short time, I got kudos from my friends. I'm young, it still matters what people think.

I couldn't argue any more points on why I think people buy apple, or how they will be better or worse in a few years time. I hope they'll still be cool, and I've saved enough pocket money.

[mosc]

[dmosc]

all this talk about software is rather silly to me. The fact is mac hardware is overpriced and often a generation behind. Now that they'll be getting INTEL chips, you'll get the joy of paying more for the exact same hardware.

To me, the mac interface is 10 years out of date. Multitasking is still cumbersome but that's all personal opinion. In the end, you can only evaluate them on hardware and macs fail horribly. Maybe you like their software so much that it doesn't matter or maybe you need to run a certain program so specific that it only runs on the mac platform but I don't see those as supporting arguments.

[gsga]

[seraph]

[mosc]

Using OSX and XP is the best thing. You can always keep yourself occupied by argueing with yourself.

Actually, I think they both leave much to be desired. The best thing about OSX is Elektro80, IMHO. Nobody around here has admitted to being a XP wizard.

[elektro80]

Of course macs crash. That is a myth. These days the only serious crashing problem you might get is Finder lockups. The Finder is a piece of software that provides the basic desktop view and GUI for file stuff. Some apps tend to lock the Finder so you cannot access even the terminal. This is however not much of a problem. i can always SSH into the box and kick the user processes.

The OS itself is very stable.

[seraph]

[mosc]

I correct that, not Man - I meant Mac - changed to OSX.

Yes, I have seen OSX and XP both crash, but I could count both on one finger. I have to reboot them at about the same frequency.

[ian-s]

[mosc]

So people who finish the university and don't go into adverting switch to Microsoft?

[Kassen]

[Kassen]

[paul e.]

YAWN...

oh sorry, was just falling asleep reading this thread

stop the debate..

macs are better in ways you cannot even begin to quantify

everyone knows it...

so, Windows apologists, please save your typing fingers

rushing around to construct pretty 'arguements' ....that devolve into schoolyard insults..nyay nyah nyah...

it's not even ENTERTAINING ANYMORE

just stop..know when to say when and give in ....and accept 2nd place

hahahah

ok i was just returning some of the childish arguing that goes in in such threads

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certain people seem to feel the need to pick away at os x, and , even worse, make it 'ad hominem' by attacking the integrity of the users..that is the worst part and really just reveals some kind of insecurity people feel..and perhaps 'jealousy'

it's lame and frankly, a great waste of the good intellect people can share here on the forum..in MUCH more useful ways


os x users..just ignore the childish provacatuers who are just feeling bad and feel the need to cut you down to their size..do not take the bait..who would argue that a Behringer pre amp is EQUAL to a Neve pre amp ??..this is the absurd claim pc users make..equating pc and macs is ridiculous ....i would consider that person not worthy of true debate

os x users..do what you can to avoid being drawn into this infuriating and intellectually weak 'debate'..you will never win an argument when the precepts are so outlandish..[try debating a christian to see what i mean]

pc users..do not feel so insecure about your os..if it works for you, great..but why go out of your way to 'debate' about os x..just use your computer and keep quiet about it..stop trying to prove yourselves...just use it and save your energy

[Kassen]

[mosc]

[elektro80]

I have sinned! I told Paul that the Bs aren´t quite like the Ns. For some reason he wasn´t surprised.

I should mention that I really think that the Neve preamps are OK, but overrated. It is quite nice to have a few of those in the gear closet though.

[seraph]