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BCR2000 led indicator problem
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LLR3



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:48 am    Post subject: BCR2000 led indicator problem Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I decided to go with the flow and got myself a Behringer BCR2000.

I´ve now allocated the topmost eight buttons to send variation change commands on CC #70. For some reason the led indicators on the buttons start acting in a very peculiar manner if I set the second value to OFF position. If both values are the same (0,0; 16,16; 32,32; ...) the leds work correctly, but naturally not in a "radio button fashion" as would be desirable.

The firmware I´m using is 1.10., but I also tried 1.07 and results were identical.

Is this sort of behaviour common to all units running this firmware revision or is this particular unit defective?

*LLR3

PS. If the CC bulk send from BCR works the way I expect it to, I think I´ll be able to construct a reasonably elegant system for copying variations on the fly without the need to use the editor!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: BCR2000 led indicator problem Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LLR3 wrote:
I decided to go with the flow and got myself a Behringer BCR2000.

I´ve now allocated the topmost eight buttons to send variation change commands on CC #70. For some reason the led indicators on the buttons start acting in a very peculiar manner if I set the second value to OFF position. If both values are the same (0,0; 16,16; 32,32; ...) the leds work correctly, but naturally not in a "radio button fashion" as would be desirable.

The firmware I´m using is 1.10., but I also tried 1.07 and results were identical.

Is this sort of behaviour common to all units running this firmware revision or is this particular unit defective?

*LLR3

PS. If the CC bulk send from BCR works the way I expect it to, I think I´ll be able to construct a reasonably elegant system for copying variations on the fly without the need to use the editor!


There is a recently-added dedicated forum for Midi controllers.

You may want to post future messages there- since it's more of a BCR issue than a G2 issue.

You can configure The BCR controllers to use several (about 8 I think) different LED patterns. The documentation for this box is horrible, but the doc file for the 1.10 firmware does explain things better than the original manual. Get the new manual, and see if it helps.

I am at work now- so I will take a look tonight.

I can send you a preset for the BCR that already has controllers setup for the 8 variations, and the LED patterns look normal to me.
Make sure you don't have an midi loop path going from the BCR, to the G2, and back into the BCR. Unplug the midi in from your BCR and see it anything changes.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: BCR2000 led indicator problem Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cappy2112 wrote:
I can send you a preset for the BCR that already has controllers setup for the 8 variations, and the LED patterns look normal to me.

Please post that as an attachment here when you get a chance. Thanks...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I noticed that the leds are actually monitoring what´s going out i.e. if several encoders have been set on the same CC#, all led collars will react when only one of the knobs is being twiddled.

That might somehow explain the strange behaviour of the button leds when all of the buttons have been set on the same CC# (in this case #70).

*LLR3
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LLR3 wrote:
I noticed that the leds are actually monitoring what´s going out i.e. if several encoders have been set on the same CC#, all led collars will react when only one of the knobs is being twiddled.

That might somehow explain the strange behaviour of the button leds when all of the buttons have been set on the same CC# (in this case #70).

*LLR3


This makes sense to me.
If this is the strange behviour, then I'd say it's normal.
If your strange behaviour has other characteristics, please elaborate.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LLR3 wrote:
I noticed that the leds are actually monitoring what´s going out i.e. if several encoders have been set on the same CC#, all led collars will react when only one of the knobs is being twiddled.

That might somehow explain the strange behaviour of the button leds when all of the buttons have been set on the same CC# (in this case #70).

*LLR3


That's the exact same problem that I have with my BCR. I guess some people would call it a "feature", but it really sucks. It's a pretty crap feature if you ask me - the number of leds on the same cc that light up depend on the button you press. For example, press button 1 and it's the only one that lights up, but press button 3 and the 2 leds on either side light up and stay on. It's really weird.

I'd be interested to see your patch too cappy, if your variation change leds behave nicely.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Afro88 wrote:
LLR3 wrote:
I noticed that the leds are actually monitoring what´s going out i.e. if several encoders have been set on the same CC#, all led collars will react when only one of the knobs is being twiddled.

That might somehow explain the strange behaviour of the button leds when all of the buttons have been set on the same CC# (in this case #70).

*LLR3


That's the exact same problem that I have with my BCR. I guess some people would call it a "feature", but it really sucks. It's a pretty crap feature if you ask me - the number of leds on the same cc that light up depend on the button you press. For example, press button 1 and it's the only one that lights up, but press button 3 and the 2 leds on either side light up and stay on. It's really weird.

I'd be interested to see your patch too cappy, if your variation change leds behave nicely.


This sounds very unusual to me- but perhaps I am misundertanding it.

I will send you my preset this weekend, and maybe you can send me yours, so I can see it first hand
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LLR3 wrote:
I noticed that the leds are actually monitoring what´s going out i.e. if several encoders have been set on the same CC#, all led collars
*LLR3


There are 8 different modes to run the BCR in. I think U se stand-alone 3 or 4, so prevent merging. I think this is what's happening.

Try removing your midi in cable to the BCR, and see if it still occurs.

You should try to see that you're not getting midi data echoed from the G2.

I use a midi patch bay to help me with routing issues
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LLR3 wrote:
I noticed that the leds are actually monitoring what´s going out i.e. if several encoders have been set on the same CC#, all led collars will react when only one of the knobs is being twiddled.

That might somehow explain the strange behaviour of the button leds when all of the buttons have been set on the same CC# (in this case #70).

*LLR3


Another option is to use ONE rotary only, to change variations, for a given midi channel. No other controller needs to be programmed for CC 70 then.

If you want to use Eight buttons for the Var change, then only the LEDS on the buttons will turn on when that button is pressed. Again, NO other controller needs to be programmed for CC 70, so no other LEDS will respond.

I have used both of these, independantly and concurrantly, and they work as *I expect* them to.

If you program a rotary to send the CC 70, you can disable it's LEDS, and also program each of the buttons to send 1 specific var change.
This allows you to send the Var changes with both controller types, but only using the Button leds to monitor the "current var state".

Just another option- but it wastes one rotary.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi there.

I have recently been creating a monster patch for the G2 with almost every parameter set up on the BCR2000, which I'll post when complete, so look out for that. (sorry, not trying to sound arrogant).
Anyway, if you want a different button for each variation, you need to divide 127 by 8 and add this number to each consequetive button. The thing is that you need to set BOTH max and min values to each button's 'unique' number.
Still, it's much quicker to use the BCR2000's learn function, and even better still to (as someone said earlier) just use one knob instead.
Seriously though, I have literally spent days sorting out this patch and arranging the knobs and buttons in 'logical' positions that mirror the on screen modules' knobs. The G2 patch is a 3 Osc, 3 Env, 3 LFO, 2 Filter, with saturation and multiple modulation choices virtually ALL UNDER CONTROL FROM THE BCR2000!!

Anyway, I hope that first bit helped you out.

Kind regards,

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oops. Divide 128 by 8, I meant. Still it might not be that exact. I've noticed that you need to set a knob to INC 64 for 2 places, 42 for 3, 31 for 4 and 24 for 5, ie. 5 shape selections in an Osc. So it may well not be 8, 16, 24, 32, etc. for the variations, but it's still quicker to use the learn function.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just tried it. You need to use 16,32,48, etc. if your still interested.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: BCR2000 led indicator problem Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
cappy2112 wrote:
I can send you a preset for the BCR that already has controllers setup for the 8 variations, and the LED patterns look normal to me.

Please post that as an attachment here when you get a chance. Thanks...


This is very disturbing.
My controllers did NOT exhibit this "disturbing patterns", before I upgraded to 1.10.

When I upgraded to this verion, it wiped out my patches.

So when I tried to re-create them this weekend, I am now seeing this unusuaul behaviour, with the buttons.

I cannot explain this- but I did not see this priot to using 1.10
Very strange
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Upgrading the firmware always restores the factory presets, so you need to save/dump them to a P.C. first.
I know this won't actually help you, but 1.10 works ok on my BCR. Interestingly, I can't get the BCedit app to send data to my BCR, no matter which firmware it was running! Can you?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

sheridan wrote:
Upgrading the firmware always restores the factory presets, so you need to save/dump them to a P.C. first.
I know this won't actually help you, but 1.10 works ok on my BCR. Interestingly, I can't get the BCedit app to send data to my BCR, no matter which firmware it was running! Can you?

Kind regards,

Sheridan


I used it briefly, to see what it was like to program a controller, but it was too tedious. I only use it for saving the whole bank of presets.
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