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furio

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Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:42 am Post subject:
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Probably this will have little importance when the user powers a PC with a power supply (and combined power conditioner) causing a system noise-ripple greater than 5-10mV.
Be careful with SSDs because they corrupt (distort) the stream with magnetic fields and noise. A SATA-Filter will only protect the noise ripple caused by SSD at the "output". A separation filter to stop interaction with the PSU must also be installed. A regulator from 12V to 5V can be used at the "input", preferably LDO combined with 1A transistors or more... for high digital performances such as those for DACs.
A powerful magnetic shield will be essential to block 60cm or more radiation from the drive. However, as a precaution, place a shielded and isolated SSD at the maximum distance from the RAM and CPU. Use only SATA 6Gbps cable because it has two extra shielded wires.
PDF file with measurements:
https://audiophilestyle.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=64024
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 8:14 am Post subject:
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1st April was on monday! |
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furio

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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 10:58 am Post subject:
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Sven wrote: | 1st April was on monday! |
There is the PDF with the scientific study linked by a dead engineer through a HiFi forum... among other things we don't know the health risks of SSD contamination... it's sneaky because we started with 100GB and slight streaming, system and environmental contamination... and you always had 2-3 installed in the system for the last 10-15 years.
However, the stream sounds more relaxed and focused with triple shielding and reduced consumption of biological medicines (up to the abuse of underdosing). The improvement with two shields is already audible with 2TB SSD but not enough.
However, the use of SSD for streaming is highly discouraged. SSDs give high/good performance until they are half full, after which the performance is similar or worse than an HDD. A ~20TB HDD manages a flow of ~270MB/sec and mechanical noise is filtered with 20 euros. _________________ Avanguardia Tempo Reale ~ VÄRÏÄ ~23Mbps~ (((STËRËÖ))) 🔊 🗲ëdüzïönᶒ 🗲üpërsönïcᶏ 🔊 ~ ⏻ 🗲ïstëmᶏ ☉përätïv☉ ⏻ ~☽👑🦅☼ ᵵᶚᶆᵽ☉ 𝖗ᶚᶏᶅᶒ ☼🦅👑☾ |
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Airlock

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Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2024 5:30 pm Post subject:
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I found that simply wrapping some foil around the SSD of a cheap laptop made a huge difference in heat transference. Fortunately the hat I was wearing had plenty of foil.
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Posted: Sat May 04, 2024 7:51 am Post subject:
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So we understood what SD-Card & SSD Terra Noise and Ambient Radiation does to music. With a modern ~20TB HDD 270 MB/s like this '23 version by WD or Toshiba and so on. You also need to be sure it will be possible to disable the non-volatile cache memory in case it causes the same problems. To save time and money we first tested an 10TB old-stock (2019 product) with a 5-year warranty and 2,500,000 MTBF hours. Just 99.90 euros including shipping from Germany. Volatile cache and 237 MB/sec declared in datasheets but realistic only for gigantic media. We achieved a real transfer speed of 180 MB/s with various Audio and 190 MB/s Video. With text and image files ~100 MB/sec.
Secure audio recording appears to be ~165 MB/sec. That is, 7 stereo pairs channels 23 MB/s x7 (14 DSD256 channels). For more SSD-like performance, it would be better to configure two HDDs in Raid0. So you will get ~320 MB/sec guaranteed for recording.
With HDD-Stream the crossover tends to work more correctly. Tweeter and mid/bass sound coherently united, deep, relaxed. So truly HiFi. SSD-Noise-Stream pierces the crossover and makes the two drivers sound detached and stressed. With SD/SSD/USB-Stick the tweeter transposes the frequency response very high and comes away sounding very sick. People who have SSDs can only use full range monitors without crossovers or headphones with decent DACs and amps to start waking up. Scrap active monitors because they are blurry and I will sleep in front.
* Old but new Datacenter 10TB HDD works better than expected. It appears capable of transferring 44-48 kHz files at 211 MB/sec while running a DSD128 stream at 11-12 MB/sec. So at least 223 MB/s can do them. The trick is to partition the root system (/) and home directories (/home) separately. With Archinstall and linux-lqx kernel compiled with paru you get this performance. The tested WM seems very bulky but is liquid. Budgie WM is declared by the developers as OSX-inspired technology. Being young over time it will be optimized and improved. In the system there is the minimal installation of archinstall daemons by default and it starts by consuming 600 MB of RAM with Budgie or under 300 MB of RAM with iceWM. So the same 2023 technology modernized by WD Deskstar 18TB should be able to achieve ~270 MB/sec... note that with the Bass Trap overhead and SSD-Stream the two-way monitors only worked at low volume (all frequency response was distorted by SSD-noise and rolled the bass). With HDD-Streaming however at low volume everything is more in focus, easy to focus and you can fire 70W audiophile. Pipewire has become installed even if not required and is automatically bypassed with PCM-Jack and PCM/DSD-ALSA. AV-Liquid-Streaming like never before, as extreme digital HiFi.
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Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 12:14 am Post subject:
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** pay attention to the non-volatile cache /// we don't know if it destroys sound and stream /// 20TB Toshiba 24/7 with the same MTBF Datacenter category, specifies exactly in the datasheet how to deactivate the non-volatile cache and costs ~50 euros less than 18TB WD (formerly HGST) _________________ Avanguardia Tempo Reale ~ VÄRÏÄ ~23Mbps~ (((STËRËÖ))) 🔊 🗲ëdüzïönᶒ 🗲üpërsönïcᶏ 🔊 ~ ⏻ 🗲ïstëmᶏ ☉përätïv☉ ⏻ ~☽👑🦅☼ ᵵᶚᶆᵽ☉ 𝖗ᶚᶏᶅᶒ ☼🦅👑☾ |
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