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 Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:19 pm Post subject:
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I have not been using my BCR2000 for a long time. I just get back to it and I'm having some difficulty.
1) Doesn't seem to work with the Windows editor application. Has anyone had any luck with this? I get timeouts when trying to load from the PC to the BCR2000. The other direction works.
2) When it is in any of the USB modes, U1 - U3 there is no MIDI output when you turn the knobs. MIDI works in the S modes. I must be missing something?
Any ideas anyone?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject:
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No answer yet.
Bump...
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:41 am Post subject:
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| mosc wrote: | | Any ideas anyone? |
Nope, but you can't really say anymore you only had it for a short while 
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:56 am Post subject:
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True, had it a long time and still waiting for some answers.
After looking on the net for a long time, the best I can come up with is that the BCEdit program doesn't work.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:28 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | True, had it a long time and still waiting for some answers.
After looking on the net for a long time, the best I can come up with is that the BCEdit program doesn't work. |
Mosc,
I am getting fairly familiar with this unit as I am now working with it using Abelton LIVE 6.05.
I will be in the studio tonight as I am at work right now so I can be better equipped to answer your question later.
The first thing you should do is get their newest USB Driver as it is now version 1.1.1.1 and update the units firmware that is now at a version 1.1. When you first power your unit on, you should see the firmware version displayed on the LED display. It would not hurt to get the latest Java Runtime engine since the editior runs on top of that.
The editor is now been updated also.
I have been tweaking the controller values manually so I have not used the editor at all but I will check it out. It would be nice however to archive the presets though. The editor seemed a little confusing and I did not like the interface. Anyway, after I get my BCR2000 controls all set up to my liking, I store the preset in the BCR2000, I then map them in Abelton and save the map as a project template on my computer.
Here is the link to get said items Howard:
http://www.behringer.com/05_support/bc_download/bc_downloads.cfm?lang=ENG
I will investigate further this evening for you. OK 
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:32 pm Post subject:
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Thanks, Bill.
I am all upgraded with the latest files -  the ones with 2004 dates .
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| Quote: | | 2) When it is in any of the USB modes, U1 - U3 there is no MIDI output when you turn the knobs. MIDI works in the S modes. I must be missing something? |
This is correct operation.
USB Mode 1 -- No MIDI port involved
USB Mode 2 -- MIDI IN passes data out to MIDI B, Computer MIDI goes to MIDI A
USB Mode 3 -- Computer MIDI tracks can be assigned to MIDI A or B of simultaneously.
USB Mode 4 -- Expander mode used when link two or more BCR/F units. This mode has merge functions.
I use USB mode 3 for my rig. One controls my Roland SH-32 and the other for my Korg KP3. I also output MIDI synchronization on poets A and B.
Hope this clarifies things on the USB modes.
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Maybe my BCR2000 is busted then. When I select any USB mode, there is never any activity on the midi lites. 
Maybe I don't get it. When you are in USB-3, shouldn't the Midi output lite when you turn a knob?
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| Quote: | Maybe my BCR2000 is busted then. When I select any USB mode, there is never any activity on the midi lites. Crying or Very sad
Maybe I don't get it. When you are in USB-3, shouldn't the Midi output lite when you turn a knob? |
Mosc, it's unlikely it's busted. Let me explain. The MIDI "A" and "B" LED indicators only indicate when MIDI data is sent from those ports (The DIN Connectors not the USB port) so you will not see any activity when in USB Mode 1 through 4. Lets check to see if they are OK. Please do the following:
1) On your BCR2000, press and hold EDIT and while holding EDIT, press STORE then release both buttons. This will get you in the "EG" or GLOBAL EDIT mode as indicated by the alpha/numeric LED display.
2) Now rotate the top left rotary encoder [TYPE] until S-1 is displayed (Stand alone mode 1).
3) Press EXIT and now your BCR2000 is in the stand alone mode 1.
4) Rotate any encoder knob and witness the blinking of both MIDI A and B LED's thus indicating that MIDI data is flowing out of those ports as the encoder position is updated.
When in USB mode, all MIDI data, as a result of turning a knob or pressing any button, will flow to the USB port, and not the DIN MIDI ports, and thus will control some element of your PC's software. When in USB mode, the only time you will see activity on those MIDI "A" and "B" LEDS is when you assign a track in a sequencer to a MIDI track and assign it's output to be BCR2000 MIDI A or B in the tracks OUTPUT section and press PLAY on your sequencer. Of course there has to be some MIDI track data or you can assign MIDI sync or clock to a BCR2000 MIDI port and press PLAY on your sequencer and you should see a steady stream of data on the LED.
I hope this helps ....
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Mosc,
In BCedit Version 0.2 BETA 3.0, I am able to send and receive preset data with no timeout errors. Are you running that version?
As an experiment, I set the BCR2000 to PRESET #1, loaded that preset into the BCEdit program EDITOR area, then stored the preset data on my computer. I then loaded this preset data back into into preset #5 of the EDITOR and stored that preset into #5 on the BCR2000 and it worked with no problem. Now presets 1 and 5 are both identical on the hardware while preset #1 is archived on my hard drive.
I hope this will help also ........
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| Quote: | | I have loaded the latest firmware into my BCR. When I turn it on it says V 1.10. That doesn't seem right. Shouldn't it say V 1.11? |
Yes, the 1.10 is what I get also .... go figure right 
| Quote: | | I'm running the same version of BCEdit but whenever I do a save to hardware, I get this error: |
Yes, when I command things using the FILE drop down menu, I get similar results. The system just waits for something to happen. I have been using LOADS and SAVES from the GUI. Try this Howard, In the EDITOR, either load or create a new control map and name it "Test Save" or something. This is your source map.
Now highlight a destination preset number on the CONTROLLER side. Now click on the lower left SAVE button (SAVE SINGLE PRESET TO HARDWARE EQUIVALENT). There will be a series on dancing LED's and preset should now be loaded into your BCR2000. These LOAD and SAVE controls will do the same thing as the FILE menu items in the drop down list. You should have all the functionality that Behringer had intended except you can't use the FILE menu to do things.
Maybe the next version will fix that bug ......... 
Hope this all helps ....
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Mosc,
Just curious, are you resurrecting the BCR2000 for a new project? I have been really wrapping my head around this unit as I am now controlling many parameters within Ableton LIVE for gigs. I have been thinking about getting the BCF2000 fader unit also as I find the BCF unit works well.
I bought some real cool overlays from Lex Plastics over in the UK. Nice stuff just a bit high priced but it is a specialty item and not mass produced. They are very high quality!
http://www.lexplastics.co.uk/
Also, Zzounds has some nice carry bags for these units:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--WORSSBCR2000
The World Tour stuff is very good and reasonably priced ....
Bill
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I still haven't been able to the the BCEdit software to load presets into the hardware.
I'm not using it, the BCR2000, for any particular purpose. I think it is a good adjunct to the G2 - one can never have too many knobs.
Those overlays look very cool. A nice niche product.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:39 am Post subject:
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Hello everyone!
Howard - I just resurrected my BCR2000's as well and I think the problem with the new editors has to do with the version of JAVA being run. I thought I saw something on KVR Audio about Java 5 caused BCEdit not to work properly....
I might be mistaken in this though....still having my morning coffee...at 1:30 pm...
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| DES wrote: |
I might be mistaken in this though....still having my morning coffee...at 1:30 pm... |
That's very musicianly of you... 
Yes, I heard that too. It's not worth the trouble of trying to uninstall Java and install an old version. I wish they would just fix it or give the source code away.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:25 am Post subject:
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I wouldn't count on them doing it anytime soon...not unless a very large group starts pressuring them and even then they may just decide to do it and then charge for it...which wouldn't bother me if it was reasonable - and worked.
Of course some enterprising young coder out there might want to do some sort of editor as well.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:22 am Post subject:
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This saves for making a new topic, I jsut got my BCR this morning, the lack of visual feedback from my uc33 was starting to bug me a bit.
I seem to be having a bit of difficulty getting the BCR to learn from the G2. I've got my midi in and outs the right way around and I can learn "upstream" to the G2 using the L key but I just wondered if I'm missing something. I tend to use the same starting environment for all my self contained noodles and it would be nice to just be able to transfer the settings over.
Whenever I put it into learn mode and try to assign I just get the "bad" message on the BCR which the manual helpfully mentions in the passing and then never refers to again (I forgot how much I love the Behringer manuals).
BCEdit dosen't seem too happy here either but the unit is hours old so I may yet have to mess about with the modes to try it again.
Cheers.
D
EDIT: I wasn't paying attention and thought this was the NM forum. The G2 in question is of course a Nord Mod G2 Engine. |
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I just installed the JAVA 6 update (at least that is what they are calling it...) - I'll see if it makes any difference...I don't expect to but one can hope!
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There was a large update concerning GUI classes between java1.4 and java1.5, that is known to cause problem in applications using Swing. Don't expect this to be fixed by upgrading to 1.6.
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject:
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Here is a source for a 3rd party freeware bc editor.
Not perfect, and not as pretty but it works. Nice to send single presets back and forth.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bc2000/files/
File is called bcedit, try it. |
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for the link, and 
I guess there is no manual or tutorial for this. I looked through the Yahoo group archive. It seems pretty thorough, but not immediately intuitive. Certainly worth playing with though.
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:46 am Post subject:
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| mosc wrote: | Thanks for the link, and
I guess there is no manual or tutorial for this. I looked through the Yahoo group archive. It seems pretty thorough, but not immediately intuitive. Certainly worth playing with though. |
Yeah, if nothing else, it beats having to reinstall java or multiple java installs or some such.
Yeah... no manual but it does work. Once you get used to the layout it is easier to edit, IMHO, with many controls out front. This can speed assignments, also, I think you can select multiples knobs or buttons to set certain parameters with few mouse clicks.
At least it is an alternative. |
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:10 am Post subject:
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Is that what the assign thingie on the right is for? To assign the same parameter(s) to the selected knobs or buttons?
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:36 am Post subject:
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| mosc wrote: | | Is that what the assign thingie on the right is for? To assign the same parameter(s) to the selected knobs or buttons? |
Not sure, I have not messed with it, just read that in the description over at yahoo. |
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