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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:43 am    Post subject: MIDI problem Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey, hello everybody, it's been a while. I've had too much work to do. Anyway, I'm not very experienced with MIDI and I have trouble controlling a stage piano and a software synth with the G2s sequencers. So I finally physically plugged the G2s MIDI Out in the MIDI In to control Slot 2 from Slot 1 and it's the same thing: I should hear a scale in the 2nd slot but sometimes note changes are omitted and I hear the same pitch twice. I inserted a pulse module to change the length of the pulse from the clock to the MIDI Send, but that didn't help.
Guess it's a basic problem, can anyone light me up here?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey Sebber, I think it's due to the very short notes you are sending. Help says this about the note-send module's trigger input:
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A signal which goes from 0 units or below to anything above 0 units on the yellow Gate input will force the module to send out the current Velocity and Note values on the selected MIDI channel. When the Gate signal goes back to 0 units or below, the module sends a MIDI Note Off message on the selected MIDI channel.


You are sending a note on signal only for the duration of the clock pulse, followed very soon by a note-off. If you use the trigger-row at the bottom of the sequencer module in gate mode (or with a pulse delay set to lengten the pulse to the desired length), and use the output from that row to drive the trig input on the note-send, I think it should work fine.

My untried & semi-educated guess....
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks, but that's not it. I forgot to mention that I tried that, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

To fix it, take the Gate/Trigger out from the sequencer to clock the MIDI out module. This solves the problem for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
To fix it, take the Gate/Trigger out from the sequencer to clock the MIDI out module. This solves the problem for me.


Yeah, that's what I tried to explain. Gate mode should make the notes sustain for the duration of the sequencer step, trigger out should be short notes (which could be lengthened by other modules).

If this doesn't work, check your midi cable (or rather, another).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hm, that's what I tried. Are there differences in the quality of MIDI-cables? I thought they work or they don't. I'll try another one and tell you about it. Thanks already!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

On a re-read of this thread, I saw you already mentioned the pulse lengthening in your first post. Missed that, sorry Embarassed . It would be weird if the midi cable were to blame, but bad cables can cause all kinds of strange behaviour, therefore I'd check another before doing anything else. If it's not that, it would be really strange. It should be very well possible to send 16th notes at 120 bpm over midi without hickups.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think it's a module evaluation situation. If you use the same oscillator to clock the sequencer that you use to send the MIDI, then you run the risk that the MIDI get clocked out before the sequencer changes. You could run the clock to the MIDI send module through a couple of inverters to delay it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, I thought I did do it with the event button row, but obviously I did something else. Hm.
Anyway, it works. Howard's trick works as well, but only when I use one inverter, not a couple of them (2 or 4 that is, maybe it works with 3).

Thanks everybody, especially Howard, you saved me from 2 hours of really boring patching.

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