Variations in performances with Global Panel

mosc

There are some things I find confusing with the G2. Maybe I don't understand what's going on enough.

In a performance with, say, all 4 slots populated, you can put the synth in Global Panel mode with shift/global-panel. For engine users (engineers?) you can display the Global Pages in the Parameter Overview window.

Now, what about the variations? If you have a keyboard synth, the variation buttons change all of the variations in every slot to the same variation when you select it. That is to say, when you push variation 3, all four slots jump to variation 3. (This is not exactly the best thing to do IMHO, but that is what it does).

Question, how do you do this with the editor if you have the engine?

I bring this up because people who develop performances on the engine may be missing something pretty powerful. Consequently, performances are not being made as well as they might. I can't recall a single performance posted here with the global pages variations are used. Someone please correct me - my memory is rather leaky lately.

blue hell

blue hell · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:42 am Post subject:

Occasionally I see a performance that seems to need the simultaneous variation changes, luckily the variations in deifferent slots can pretty fast be changed from the computer keyboard as well. Pressing A for slot A then 1 .. 8 for the variation and repeat with B, C and D keys - not instantaneous, but pretty fast.

mosc · Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject:

Thanks, seems like a bit of an ommission to me. Crying or Very sad

I would like to see the global panel variations allow any combination of settings in the individual patches. It's not very useful to have all of them change to the same variation. It implies that each patch must be carefully set up for the performance. It makes layering patches very difficult. I wonder why nobody has complained about this before.

3phase · Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject:

parameter in the global area should be excluded from variation changes... that would help to make the synchronus jump beneficial...
so its really useless to do remote patches that make use of the global page...actually a good place to control external gear.

I also found acces of the global area a bit unconvienient..this trippel press to get to the slot volumes troubles me... i would have prefered a double stroke with one hand

sheridan

mosc · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the responses. But when using the G2X as a master keyboard, one would like to not have to patch up a slot just to do control.

It seems like whenever you touch the variation buttons in the global panel, you get into serious trouble because your individual slots jump.

The way I would like to see this work is:

You select a global page variation.

Jump out of global page mode.

Set all of the individual variations in the four slots.

Go back to global mode.

Change to another variation and do the same.

Now when you hit a variation buttion in Global Page mode, the slots change to what you want.

3phase · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:

thats too much slot changing.. actually its good that there is the possebility to change all slots variation simultaniosly. Its just a bit too minimal implemented... it could be for example possible to exclude a certain slot from variation changes at all... this also would help to establish a remote slot within the global area.. they way its implemented now i ve never used it sofar... gave up on that feature... even volume changing is too unconfortable

blue hell · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject:

I think Howard means that the local variation setup is stored in the global variation setup. Such that global variation 1 can have local variations 1 6 3 8, wher global var 2 has 3 8 8 3 etc. (for slotsa A B C D)

Anyway, such a setup makes sense I think.

mosc · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject:

Afro88 · Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject:

I think Clavia did it the static way to make it easy to understand and harder to mess up. It just makes it a little more work to get your global variations correct, because you need to actually move slot variations around to get your desired global variation. But this is relatively simple and straight forward if you use the patch mutator's temporary storage space to do your reorganisation. Just write down what slot variations work well together and then go through and resort them.

Your way makes sense mosc, but I think it would get really confusing really quickly, and make it easy to mess up your global variations unknowingly.