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jay fuji
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject:
hey everyone, i wish i was here without a problem |
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hey guys, i recently purchased a nord lead rack off a gear swap site, had it shipped over, and when it arrived, i realized i got a dud. the OS is obviously messed up somehow. first of all, it doesn't change presets consistently, it sticks on one, sometimes layering that one under the others as they change, regardless of performance setup. also, when it sticks, it will even stick this program under the manual mode, and i have experienced problems with getting the filter to work at all.
it currently has V1.6 (i think) and has the expansion setup.
i have tried emailing both clavia directly and the USA distributor, and after getting one email from the distro asking my location, i have heard nothing since.
does anyone have an OS upgrade i can do myself? i honestly would like to get this thing in and serviced in general, i got it cheap enough it would be worth having someone who knows this piece well to give it a good cleaning etc.
btw, i am a mac user, so any reset/OS upgrade stuff would have to be mac... thanks so much, i look forward to posting with much happier things in the future! |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:03 am Post subject:
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Maybe a sad one, but still it is a jay fuji jay fuji wrote: | hey guys, i recently purchased a nord lead rack off a gear swap site, had it shipped over, and when it arrived, i realized i got a dud. the OS is obviously messed up somehow. first of all, it doesn't change presets consistently, it sticks on one, sometimes layering that one under the others as they change, regardless of performance setup. also, when it sticks, it will even stick this program under the manual mode, and i have experienced problems with getting the filter to work at all. | Surely it looks like a crippled OS, which could mean big trouble! The eprom which contains the OS isn't available anymore in the normal circuit. Here somebody very professional has to come in. Quote: | it currently has V1.6 (i think) and has the expansion setup. | It's a rather odd number. My NordRack indicates it is OS V 2.3, so your is really a old one, even to the NordRack. Opdating could only be done by replacing the eprom. Quote: | i have tried emailing both clavia directly | Clavia has closed his doors yesterday to have a four week holiday... No, you're not a lucky bastard it seems... Quote: | and the USA distributor, and after getting one email from the distro asking my location, i have heard nothing since. | That's the latest policy at the moment! If you’re not on their list, at least the serial number of your synth or you aren’t in the neighborhood they won’t help you at all. That’s mostly where electro-music.com comes in. Quote: | does anyone have an OS upgrade i can do myself? i honestly would like to get this thing in and serviced in general, i got it cheap enough it would be worth having someone who knows this piece well to give it a good cleaning etc. | I think no user has the software. I will ask if it is possible to get it out of the synth in anyway to copy it towards another. It’s worthwhile to do the effort, knowing there are more people I know who want to upgrade, special NordLead2 users. BTW upgrading a NordLead2 to a Nordlead2X is impossible, if anyone would like to ask Quote: | btw, i am a mac user, so any reset/OS upgrade stuff would have to be mac... thanks so much, i look forward to posting with much happier things in the future! | And there at last is another problem, knowing Clavia started to develop to the Mac not earlier then 2000, I think, so there would be no Mac software for the NordLead1 for sure… It might be the most easiest thing the straighten out, because a Windows machine could always be borrowed.
I hope I didn’t make you to depressed.
Stay in touch and we will try to find a solution.
Still we have to wait until the Stockholm gang returns…
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jay fuji
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject:
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thanks so much for the info, i will turn it on tomorrow and get the version number... i can get the serial too, i sent all this to clavia and the distributor when i emailed them. i was surprised i even got one email back from the distro honestly... i am surprised getting these guys fixed is so difficult. i build guitar pedals and audio stuff, so if its the matter of unsoldering and replacing a chip or something, i can do that myself no problem. i am less comfortable doing software upgrades and such, since i have less experience with it, but i could muster up a PC if i had to.
thanks again, i'll keep sniffing around and try to get some answers, and any new info would be great!
would it be helpful to you all to post the serial and OS version number? |
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Wout Blommers

Joined: Sep 07, 2003 Posts: 4529 Location: The Hague - The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:16 am Post subject:
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jay fuji wrote: | ... i am less comfortable doing software upgrades and such, since i have less experience with it, but i could muster up a PC if i had to. | The upgrades of the OS came as hardware, so changing the chip wouldn't that difficult, if you can get hold of it in the first place... Quote: | ... would it be helpful to you all to post the serial and OS version number? | I don't think so, because we don\t have the chip... Is there somewhere a NordLead(1) which is broken and can be used as a deliver station for spare parts? I don't know, but I hope so...
Ah, uh, well, the Dutch distributor has one on display. Let's investigate what will be needed to create an upgrade ourselves... The real dead end is at the end of the line, isn't it?
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jay fuji
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:52 am Post subject:
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haha, yes. well, there is some possibility of me selling mine off for spare parts i suppose, if we can't come to a better conclusion. i'm bummed, mainly because i have wanted one for years, and i sold off a bunch of stuff to fund one, and now i have issues, what a drag
i'm not giving up yet damn it, there is still hope! |
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gearaholic
Joined: Mar 07, 2009 Posts: 29 Location: f-town
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject:
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tech support was helpful after i scheduled a phone call ...i still have the number if you want |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject:
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What tech support, Sweden or the USA?
And what was the trouble? I think a OS eprom to the NL1 isn't that easy...
There is hope, but also false hope
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gearaholic
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject:
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usa florida i think |
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jay fuji
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:29 am Post subject:
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well, kostas @ nord support (USA distributor of some sort) recommended a shop in my town that handles repairs for clavia, and i emailed. i explained what's going on, and they seem confident they can do something. this ought to be interesting. |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:51 am Post subject:
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It is
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Oli

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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject:
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Hi folk,
If need be, I can copy an EPROM from my Lead 1. I have a chip burner. I would do that for cost of chip, plus postage. That should be pretty cheap.
I would remove the chips from my Lead 1, read the data into my PC, then burn same data into new EPROMs. I would test new chips in my synth before sending.
There is no guarantee that this would fix your synth though, as it may not be an OS issue.
I would seek Clavia's permission for this first, though. I think distributing an instance of their part may require this, though I'm not certain, as it would be a repair job, without profit. If they could actually provide an OS file for burning, all the better, though I suspect that would not be likely.
My OS version is 2.5/2.05 (these are apparently the same).
I believe the latest OS is 2.7/2.07. I have read that all version 2 OS's have the same features, and subsequent versions are bug fix releases.
Let us know how you go, and if you would like further help. Going through a licensed service center may be expensive, particularly if it is not local to you.
By the way, I'm in Australia.
Cheers,
Oli _________________ Good good study, day day up! |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject:
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Oli wrote: | ... There is no guarantee that this would fix your synth though, as it may not be an OS issue. | The reason of the troubles may be confirmed by Clavia. Quote: | I would seek Clavia's permission for this first, though. I think distributing an instance of their part may require this, though I'm not certain, as it would be a repair job, without profit. If they could actually provide an OS file for burning, all the better, though I suspect that would not be likely. | Surely there are copyright issues. Another reason to contact Clavia. Quote: | My OS version is 2.5/2.05 (these are apparently the same). I believe the latest OS is 2.7/2.07. I have read that all version 2 OS's have the same features, and subsequent versions are bug fix releases. | There could be users who want to upgrade... There was a changing of the Panel, which provided some stickers too, so this can be seen if an update is needed or not. Anyway, also a question to Clavia... (After their holidays ) Quote: | ... particularly if it is not local to you. |
Quote: | By the way, I'm in Australia. | These two quotes together make sense to me
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Oli

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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | These two quotes together make sense to me
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Well, posting a couple of EPROMs is pretty cheap, and low risk. Posting a synth may not be. Also, one can pay to have work done at a service center, without having anything actually fixed.
Certainly, I think it would be worth seeking input from Clavia.
As for front panel marking, that may be worthwhile. I think there were a few feature changes with OS 2.xx. However, I think it is worth considering all the options for this sort of thing. _________________ Good good study, day day up! |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:38 am Post subject:
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Yep!
Much work to be done first.
Maybe Blue Hell also could to shine some light on this matter...
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blue hell
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:07 am Post subject:
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Shine light? Seems to be full blast sunshine here already ... with everything said that could be said
I can try the crystal ball ... but hmm ... it's not clear ... might be defect, might be not  _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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jay fuji
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:22 am Post subject:
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wow. well, i am pretty certain that these old guys at the repair shop will probably be able to do nothing, seeing as how i can't get a chip from clavia or anywhere, how could they?
i would be more than willing to compensate you for doing the chips, postage, and even some for your time. honestly, i don't need to pay someone for the labor, as i tear apart gear all the time and fix it, from amps to guitars to effects etc. it's simply a matter of not having a chip. at least that would be my guess.
the OS is version 1.6 now, so at the very least it would be nice to have an upgraded version in there, then i could start troubleshoooting other things. maybe i will hold off with the repair guys for now and see what comes of all this...
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jay fuji
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:28 am Post subject:
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also, i frankly don't personally care what clavia thinks about where i get a chip from, given they don't seem to care much for customer support in the first place. if i were confident that the repair shop would be able to fix it, i wouldn't mind spending the dough, but i highly doubt that they have a bucket of NOS EPROMs sitting around.
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:02 am Post subject:
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jay fuji wrote: | also, i frankly don't personally care what clavia thinks about where i get a chip from, given they don't seem to care much for customer support in the first place. ... | Clavia gives all the support possible They just don't have any NordLead/Rack spare parts anymore and I think they won't give any software written by them to everybody. It seems logical to me... Quote: | i dunno, we'll be in touch  | Oli and jay fuji, I think you better discuss this issue in a private contact rather then on an open forum. It 'tends' towards an illegal action and electro-music.com has its own responsibility about these things.
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Oli

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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:32 am Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | Oli and jay fuji, I think you better discuss this issue in a private contact rather then on an open forum. It 'tends' towards an illegal action and electro-music.com has its own responsibility about these things.
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Yeah, fair call, and duly noted. _________________ Good good study, day day up! |
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jay fuji
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | Clavia gives all the support possible They just don't have any NordLead/Rack spare parts anymore and I think they won't give any software written by them to everybody. It seems logical to me...Oli and jay fuji, I think you better discuss this issue in a private contact rather then on an open forum. It 'tends' towards an illegal action and electro-music.com has its own responsibility about these things.
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thanks again for all the info Wout, i didn't mean to sound flippant about the whole situation, i just think that if they don't have parts for the piece to get fixed, what's the hurt in me sourcing the EPROM outside of them? i would be more than happy to pay clavia or whoever for what i need, but if they don't have it, my only other choice is to sell the busted synth and move on, which is a total bummer.
any future talks about the EPROM chips will be done in private. thanks again everyone for the info! i hope to be able to post and take full advantage of the resources here if/when i get my lead rack up and running properly! |
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Wout Blommers

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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:34 am Post subject:
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jay fuji wrote: | ... i hope to be able to post and take full advantage of the resources here if/when i get my lead rack up and running properly! | I hope you will post again, also when you get hold of the EPROM and fixed the problem.
About Clavia's policy. They are a rather small company and don't have the resources to support every machine they ever build. They have such little space in the building it is impossible to keep to much spare parts in stock.
So this could lead towards less support of abandonned products. And that's where electro-music.com comes in.
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jay fuji
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject:
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i can understand that they don't want to keep parts for "abandoned" models, but if they don't want to keep that stuff, make the files to write your own chips available. i'm sure everyone can see how frustrating it must be to buy a piece of gear that was made by a premier brand like clavia, only to be told "sorry buddy, we discontinued that, you are on your own. and no, you can't find a way to fix it yourself"
i know we are playing the what-if game right now, and i am interested to hear what clavia has to say when they get back from holiday. i'm not giving up hope yet  |
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Wout Blommers

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jay fuji
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Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject:
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hey there, has anyone heard anything from clavia yet? i sure haven't  |
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Oli

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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:17 am Post subject:
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Hi,
Wout, did you end up contacting Clavia regarding this matter? It would be nice to have a response from them. _________________ Good good study, day day up! |
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