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The Peasant

Joined: Nov 13, 2009 Posts: 103 Location: Sunny Alberta
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philpeery
Joined: Nov 08, 2006 Posts: 137 Location: new jersey, usa
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject:
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Really nice job Doug! This is one that I've been meaning to tackle myself for a while, glad you got to it! I have a couple of quick questions - did you generate a parts layout, or is it essentially the same as TH's? Also, did you replace the unobtainium 4739 opamp chips with a modern part? I think there are 3 in this project. As I recall, that chip has an unusual pinout that few other opamps share.
Great work! I'm going to go over the layout and try to get at least one built over the holidays!
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The Peasant

Joined: Nov 13, 2009 Posts: 103 Location: Sunny Alberta
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject:
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Hi Phil,
Glad that you can make use of this. To answer your questions - other than the delay chip and a couple of parts immediately around it the layout is identical. I can do a quick layout diagram for the differences in the next while if you like. I did add room for ferrite beads on the power inputs and moved the electolytics there over a bit. I also beefed up the traces a lot.
It does use the 4739 op amps, but it should be fairly easy to modify the board for something more standard. If I was to do it again I would change the trimpot pads to something smaller as well.
Please note that I have not yet actually tested this design. I have an etched and populated board ready to go into my latest project, so this will happen in the next couple of months. Also note that there are two different ways to utilise the dual delay lines in a SAD1024, this design uses the parallel method for a higher quality, shorter delay.
I am also planning on adding VC regeneration to this module using a MFOS VCA pcb.
Take care,
Doug _________________ The Electronic Peasant
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philpeery
Joined: Nov 08, 2006 Posts: 137 Location: new jersey, usa
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | there are two different ways to utilise the dual delay lines in a SAD1024, this design uses the parallel method for a higher quality, shorter delay
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Wasn't aware that the SAD1024 could be used like that. So I am assuming that in parallel you are getting 512 stages, yes? Is this enough for chorus type effects, or are we still in the flanging range with this number of buckets? If you could share your design surrounding the SAD for this one, and have something that shows a serial, 1024 stage design, I might be inclined to expand on your nice layout.
Also, I would think that TL072's would be a decent replacement for the 4739's.
Let us know how your experiment with the MFOS VCA for controlling regen goes, this sounds very interesting to me as well! I do have a few of those pcb's laying around. If it's a viable way to go, one might make it into this project.
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richardc64

Joined: Jun 01, 2006 Posts: 679 Location: NYC
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:00 am Post subject:
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Welcome, "Peasant."
I consider myself one of your disciples, and emailed you once to tell you so and exchange ideas on synthsized drums. Is your monster project still on hold?
Glad to see you here. _________________ Revenge is a dish best served with a fork... to the eye |
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StephenGiles
Joined: Apr 17, 2006 Posts: 507 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:38 am Post subject:
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I built this wonderful flanger (aren't they all!!) back when "Device" was still being published - back in the days when we had postal deliveries by 8am in the UK!! The original articles are still up at Mark Hammer's site.
I used the Eventide bounce with Deluxe Electric Mistress clock/LFO which worked well together. I must fire it up again, I remember that the regeneration sounds were superb.
No - I'm talking rubbish, I'm referring to Craig Anterton's VC Flanger - una pava distinta de pescados  |
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The Peasant

Joined: Nov 13, 2009 Posts: 103 Location: Sunny Alberta
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:59 am Post subject:
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Quote: | Wasn't aware that the SAD1024 could be used like that. So I am assuming that in parallel you are getting 512 stages, yes? Is this enough for chorus type effects, or are we still in the flanging range with this number of buckets? If you could share your design surrounding the SAD for this one, and have something that shows a serial, 1024 stage design, I might be inclined to expand on your nice layout.
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512 stages is correct. As I am building one of these with an actual SAD4096 chip, I already have one long delay, and so decided to go for the shorter route with this one. I believe that this will be sufficient for chorus effects, but time will tell for sure.
The design that I used for the SAD1024 is straight out of the data sheet, which is available various places online. So if you download this you can see what modifications are required to make it 1024 steps.
Quote: | Also, I would think that TL072's would be a decent replacement for the 4739's. |
I would agree with this.
Quote: | Let us know how your experiment with the MFOS VCA for controlling regen goes, this sounds very interesting to me as well! I do have a few of those pcb's laying around. If it's a viable way to go, one might make it into this project.
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I will post here when it is working. It could be a month or two before I complete these modules.
Take care,
Doug _________________ The Electronic Peasant
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The Peasant

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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:04 am Post subject:
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Quote: | Welcome, "Peasant."
I consider myself one of your disciples, and emailed you once to tell you so and exchange ideas on synthsized drums. Is your monster project still on hold?
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Thank you Richard!
I spent some time last year developing circuits for my Monster Drum Synth, but unfortunately I was not making good progress and decided to focus on my modular projects for a while instead. That way I can design using the modular itself instead of breadboarding everything that I wanted to try. I will get back to it eventually, but the new projects keep piling up...
Take care,
Doug _________________ The Electronic Peasant
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The Peasant

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aerogramma

Joined: Feb 27, 2008 Posts: 156 Location: Roma, Italy - London, UK
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:48 am Post subject:
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all the ebst from here Peasant
your designs are very inspiring... I have just completed salvaging enough material for a VDF Ring mod so it will be next!
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