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Tim Kleinert
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This one has buttons, encoders, displays and parameter pages -just like the G2 keyboard! There's even a text editor tool which allows you to edit the labels by computer. 
http://www.ibk-midi.de/e7.htm |
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LLR3
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Location: Helsinki Finland
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 5:16 am Post subject:
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A really nice looking controller I must say!
Too bad it still isn´t possible to copy variation banks with these sort of controllers!
BTW, if it were possible to copy variations with a command sent over midi (I proposed a possible method on the wish list.) would it be possible to make this kind of controllers (inc. BCR 2000 etc.) automatically request for parameters every time a variation is changed? With KeyKit you could do this with no problem. (Couple of pots and KeyKit make an excellent midi controller with all the visual feedback you could ever need. Naturally you´d need some programming skills too. I wonder if someone´s already created a stand-alone application for turning a (spare) laptop + basic midi pots into an advanced midi controller?)
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seraph
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 6:55 am Post subject:
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no USB ports  gee 
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cebec
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if it were half the price, i'd consider it.
looks nice, though. |
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richard s
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I just picked one up used (so I guess it is half price  ) and it is really well built, more so than most modern synths, postive buttons and incredibly expensive pots and the biiig displays makes all the difference. The downside is it looks like Reaktor!
Nah, just joking, the downside is that it is built like a piece of German miltary technology and weighs a ton - its twice the size and wieght of the G2 engine and at 3U its too gaddam big to throw in my gigging kit...
but in all honesty it does make the behringer feel like a piece of shit.
I just want one of these that's half the size and I promise I will shutup about midi controllers forever!!
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Afro88
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Wow.... I may just have to palm my behringer off to someone and get one of these! The Behringer is great, but... this looks like exactly what I need and want in a controller for the G2 engine.
The icing on the cake would be some kind of interface between it and the G2 engine so those parameter names are automagically updated, but you can't have everything 
I wouldn't mind getting in and naming the knobs anyway, especially if you can do it in software. Wow... cheers for the link Tim! |
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davep
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| Afro88 wrote: | Wow.... I may just have to palm my behringer off to someone and get one of these! The Behringer is great, but... this looks like exactly what I need and want in a controller for the G2 engine.
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...and Mackie makes something called the C4 :
http://www.mackie.com/products/digital_recording/index.html
...but it's a lot more expensive than the Behringer.
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richard s
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"The icing on the cake would be some kind of interface between it and the G2 engine so those parameter names are automagically updated, but you can't have everything"
true, and I wonder if this could be achieved, I will request it from IBK...
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Afro88
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| davep wrote: | | Afro88 wrote: | Wow.... I may just have to palm my behringer off to someone and get one of these! The Behringer is great, but... this looks like exactly what I need and want in a controller for the G2 engine.
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...and Mackie makes something called the C4 :
http://www.mackie.com/products/digital_recording/index.html
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Haha true - or I could sell my engine and buy a G2 key for about the same cost 
I've thought about it more, and I may as well stick with the Behringer. I've become accustomed to it, and it does what it does well. The IBK looks pretty tempting though.... |
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richard s
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actually, is it possible for the G2 to send assigned knob names out to any midi controller? - this would really open the engine up for both programming and performing...
Clavia should really think about designing a G2 controller of their own. If it was small, and could also be used as general midi controller they could do quite well with it - there really isn't that much on the market
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jksuperstar
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Now that the G2 patch format is known, in the hands of a good programmer, you could have a box request the patch dump, extract exactly what would have been on the G2 key's displays & knobs, and the MIDI CC's necessary for those knobs. That way the clavia editor becomes your controller's editor as well...
I can build the hardware, if there's some embedded programmer who is up for it...(though a program could do some practice on a computer requesting & extract out of the patch in the mean time) |
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cappy2112
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 11:49 am Post subject:
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| richard s wrote: |
Clavia should really think about designing a G2 controller of their own.
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Darn good idea !
And if they integrated into the G2 editor you could treat it's settings just like a patch.
If they could not sell this controller for less than $200 US, it's pointless. It would be better to buy a G2 keys- and I think they would rather sell you a G2/keys than an Engine & controller.
Hell they could stick an 8051 or a PIC in a box with some encoders, 1 LCD, some LEDS, midi in/out, USB, and use the G2 editor to edit settings.
They should be able to do this for minimal design costs, and stil lmake a profit
They should name the product The G2 Engineer (Engine-Ear) get it??  |
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cappy2112
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| jksuperstar wrote: | Now that the G2 patch format is known, in the hands of a good programmer, you could have a box request the patch dump, extract exactly what would have been on the G2 key's displays & knobs, and the MIDI CC's necessary for those knobs. That way the clavia editor becomes your controller's editor as well...
I can build the hardware, if there's some embedded programmer who is up for it...(though a program could do some practice on a computer requesting & extract out of the patch in the mean time) |
The hard work has already been done. It just needs some customisation for the G2, and a software app.
http://www.ucapps.de/ |
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gomidas
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 3:31 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Clavia should really think about designing a G2 controller of their own.
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