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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 4:29 pm Post subject:
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Listening to the first one here. Sounding great! So is this essentially what is called Automation these days? Lots of edits and manipulations to a recording? Back in the CoolEdit days I would do something like that to audio files while also adding effects and basically transforming a sound beyond recognition. Very fun to do and one of those things which you couldn't do without a computer.  _________________ Muied Lumens Sub Forum
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 4:44 pm Post subject:
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Thanks Rob
I used to do it in the cool edit days too, now with reaper and acoustica.
But eh .. I used to be inspired to this sort of thing by the tape editing stuff that was done before people used computers .. luckily it nowadays is way more flexible and faster .. with lots more easily accesible effects to use
With cooledit there was a lot more waiting involved ...
I don't know about that automation thing .. there is not much automated anyway .. but well .. words  _________________ Jan
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 5:15 pm Post subject:
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Ah yes tape splicing... Technically that is similar but with the amount of copy/paste and other changes and effects I did, this is isn't possible in practice methinks... I have a huge respect for the people behind that stuff anyway, and perhaps I'm underestimating them. I certainly couldn't do it, even if I had the time.
Automation is just writing in parameter changes over time with lines and curves. CEP could do it with some of the effects, like the pitch bend and a couple of others, one being some sort of a filter I think. _________________ Muied Lumens Sub Forum
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 5:35 pm Post subject:
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ah ok .. automation .. i used volume curves
What i could use is automation automation then ... something to generate automation curves ... like .. say .. i would like some stuttering .. but regular .. as in .. a volume dip say .. every 250 ms .. for 10 ms ...or gliding from 10ms dips to 50 ms dips .. over like 3 minutes .. to make stuff like that is a bloody lot of work manually
There may be VST stuff able to do it? Wren could do it .. were it a VST ... _________________ Jan
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2026 5:46 pm Post subject:
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I have two such VSTs...
https://www.cableguys.com/shaperbox
https://deviousmachines.com/product/infiltrator/
They like to sync to a tempo so Acoustica can be a problem for them some times... it doesn't give tempo to the plugins. Perhaps that's been fixed I dunno. You can decouple them both from tempo or course. When I get a chance I'll check if they work in Acoustica. Of course, some of your finer points may not be doable even in those plugins...
They do the same thing but are quite different. Definitely more than what I could cobble together myself in Max or other modular sandboxes.
Edit: just remembered... Reaper has LFOs and envelope followers which you can point to any parameter in a VST. This is found on the track header thing, where the volume and record buttons are to the left of the audio file - there's a little button saying "Trim" - click on it and all the parameters available will come up in a list - sometimes thousands of them, depending on the VST.  _________________ Muied Lumens Sub Forum
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2026 7:59 am Post subject:
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Will look into it .. thanks! listening to some old zoviet france now  _________________ Jan
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2026 10:28 am Post subject:
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I listened to most of the first one and I'll finish it later. Great stuff, Jan. Keep at it. Good stuff to restart channel 6, IMHO. _________________ --Howard
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2026 8:05 am Post subject:
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thank you Howard .. but let me first bring it .. erm .. over the top .. sorry .. need more practice ..
btw .. a while ago you mentioned some chop-up tool .. I forgot what that was, but it may in fact be very usable for this .. some standalone thing .. a graphix front-end on some tool kit ... like that  _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:14 pm Post subject:
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I finished the first one and listened to the second.
I like the voice in the second and the contrasting sounds. The cut up words remind me of the Beat Poets. To do what you have done with magnetic tape would have taken a very long time. I think there is a "message", but I can't articulate what it is. I do receive emotion that I can't describe, but it is certainly an expression of how we feel now. _________________ --Howard
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2026 6:08 pm Post subject:
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| blue hell wrote: | | ... 16 bars max ... |
Infiltrator goes to 128 bars max.
...or 0.01 hz if you switch off the tempo sync. But some times even that isn't enough.
It also has handy Macro features where you can assign parameters to morph Nord style. Makes automation easier.
Very nice results you got with Shaperbox.
I use both of them to make just about anything into drum sounds - I can have a field recording and have them chop and envelope and pitch shift and resample and so on until I get a long string of nice variations to sample or just use directly. I used to use the Machinedrum for that but this is a lot more flexible.  _________________ Muied Lumens Sub Forum
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But for now, more claying - a short one, 15 minutes
This started it's life as 'elephant talk' .. 'correction, i'm not free' seemed more appropriate .. but that's the 'why' of the image.
It has samples from the first period mr. trump was in charge over the u.s. of a, but not absolutely so, yet .. anyway .. samples .. amongst which some nonsense uttered by his surroundings, a military band playing for eternal glory.
And then some fresh beeps that i generated from a single sine tone {wavipulations of the sine, so to say}.
And the elephant is still there of course, it is everywhere .. in fact
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