OS X 10.5 - first impressions

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: OS X 10.5 - first impressions

It´s good. So far I´m running this on only a Macbook, but I´ll soon slip it into a Macpro with 16 gigs of RAM.

Everything seems to run slightly faster and there have been no surprises yet.

Coverflow for file navigation actually works and it is really fast as well. Clearly Coverflow is not the obvious default navigation setting, but it´s great for moving through PDFs, images and for those really messy folders you have been considering to sort out some day soon.

EdisonRex · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:17 am Post subject:

I am waiting for word that my MOTU drivers and MAX/MSP at least are supported. Those traditionally don't survive major version changes without some kind of updates.

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:23 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:31 am Post subject:

The new interface is in fact less glossy than you might have expected. Using grey a lot is quite OK. So far the only less exciting thing in 10.5 is that Finder level windows might be easily confused with application windows. In fact, there is not really a problem here but I´ve learned a bit about how novices act and react. I can see that some will have to use a bit of their IQ when navigating apps and Finder windows. Shocked

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:47 am Post subject:

Rosetta seems to have been seriously improved.

v-un-v · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject:

Did you have to back up everything before you upgraded? I'm only asking because I don't have either a spare drive or the time at present to do a lot of dvd-r burning.

Also has anything changed on Expose? Because apparently on the new keyboards, one of the expose keys is missing. I was wondering if Apple may have put something else in or put 3 functions on 2 keys etc.

EdisonRex · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject:

Tom: Backup... yes.. you should.. but I think the installer is pretty solid and it won´t do anything stupid.

What you should do anyways is to ensure that the drive file structure is OK, that you have removed incompatible shit from the frameworks folders, you should also kill system control panels that aren´t 10.5 compatibe and take a hard look at all those system enhancement apps. If you have a pretty clean system then you should be fine. I do always recommend a backup or a full mirrored copy on a second drive.

The new sleek alu keyboard..? I´ve got one of those as well. It´s OK but also a bit depresseing so I´ve secured a stack of the old ones. The new one is OK for some embeddeding ideas I have but it is a bit too postmodern to me for general use.

v-un-v · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject:

Yes I don't get them either- but I do admire Apple for trying something a little different. However more and more I can't stop thinking that Macs are becoming more or a piece of furniture rather than a serious tool used by technicians.

I'm going to wait until my Leopard discs arrive before I pass judgement entirely.

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject:

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elektro80 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject:

I thought the delay was so that there could be better intergration with running Vista on Bootcamp- but my real guess is that Apple wanted to look at Vista so they could tweak anything in OS X which was vaguely Microsoft like and make it function better- which I think, according to Stein, they have.

Like I said, I'll have to wait until next week to see.

right. bedtime!

v-un-v · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject:

I will eventually try 10.5 on some G5s and G4s. My only conclusion so far is that it runs really well on macintels.

BobTheDog · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:27 am Post subject:

My new MacBook is appearing next week and will have Leopard installed.

I have already found out my Waves and NI plugins will not work, does anyone know if new macs are coming with a tiger install dvd as well?

Cheers

Andy

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:44 am Post subject:

Bob, probably no 10.4.x .. just 10.5, but PM me when you get the MB. I might have some original Apple discs I can send you. One problem is of course that Apple never offered a late 10.4.x universal installer. All the bundled CDs are restricted specific models. One way to get it running if the model number/serial and more refuses to use the DVD set from another recent MB is to mirror a clean installation to firewire drive and then boot from this one and mirror it into your MB. You can make a .dmg of this installation as well.

You see, already installed and updated installations on HD will boot various macintels even though the bundled system DVD won´t.

BobTheDog · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:52 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:54 am Post subject:

I suggested somewhere above that killing incompatible stuff in the frameworks folders is smart. Some of the unsanity apps will bluescreen your 10.5 mac, so getting rid of Shapeshifter and Application Enhancer is a must. -before installing 10.5!!!!!!

/Library/Frameworks/Application Enhancer.framework

If this one is in here it must go, and you know that you´ll have too look for more unsanity stuff on your disk as well.

And.. some shit will bundle Application Enhancer without telling you. Some of the Logitech mouse/keyboard drivers will do this.
Hmm.. when I think of it.. they have one main installer for OS X for all mouse/kbds now.. so .. if you have the Logitech Control Center in your System Prefs panel you will have Application Enhancer.framework on your disk for sure.

v-un-v · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:56 am Post subject: