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281 clone project- taking orders now for last run of these..
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fluxmonkey



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bbob wrote:
sorry i've missed it... how are folks wiring their "peak in" jacks? i'm guessing the "a" out is normalled to that, so the peak circuitry gets the "a" signal by default but it can be overridden by patching something else in??


waded back thru 21 pages of discussion, and found this answer to my own question:
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peak in is an external input is all to the peak circuit. peak out is just that- "A" is 'normalled' normally to an input, no attenuator, and finally, B goes there too, through an attenuator. this 'peak' output outputs the maximum voltage present at it's input- it can't go below ground because A sits around 0V when not doing anything.

i had space for a jack too so i decided to add an external input. it's nothing more than a jack and another diode. i think it is useful, but it isn't at all necessary. "a or b out" is the same as peak out- but you're not panning between the 2 here. "ORs" on the original panel just means that its like the analog equivalent of an OR function. i don't know what circuit the original used, but i used basically a discrete DTL OR gate.


(in case you were wondering)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Does anybody have two PCB's to sell?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Finally busting a move on these. Rev.2 's no less.
Wiring commences tomorrow.

281 quad function generator clone

281: the works

281, stack'em yack'em
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey Photon, I love your panels Very Happy Very Happy Amazing stuff. I wish I had the know how to do those Confused

Cheers,
Dave
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It says in the BOM to replace R7 and R8 with 1.2K/1.5K for 12V operation.

However the sentence can be interpreted two ways:

Do you mean R7 = 1.2K and R8 = 1.5K ?

OR

That R7 and R8 can BOTH be either 1.2K OR 1.5K?
(i.e. R7=1.2K R8 = 1.2K OR R7=1.5K R8=1.5K)


Which do you mean? (I assume the latter but I want to be sure)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi yes that's right. just use either one-you could probably just change R9 to 6.2K, but 6.8K might be too big, and 6.2 isn't that common a value... i didn't test this. optimum range is probably around 1.35K for these, so it is up to you which value you choose.. 1.5Ks will give you a bit more control range.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello,

Finally I started the 281s Very Happy

I have seen topp, that you matched Q1 and Q2.

Is convenient to match also Q5 and Q6?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Awesome your designs Photon. Really beatiful.

What is material front panel? How do you transfer the tone to the front panel? Ironing?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks.
The panels are etched brass. There is a thread here describing the process:
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-26116-0.html

I'm still wiring the first pair...not much free time for my nerdular these days.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey Photon- gorgeous stuff indeed!

Thanks for the pix of the boards too Smile I, (like many) get rather intimidated when choosing the right capacitors, and having these close up shots really helps Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mono-poly wrote:
Does anyone got a single size frack layout?


just got these back from Schaefer yesterday... test fit all the components (16mm alpha pots) and everything fits, but it's tight. those countersunk holes are for mounting the boards (on spacers, using flathead screws); delete 'em if you going to add a bracket.

thanks to all for sharing their designs, and for permissions to shamelessly follow in yr footsteps...

bbob

[EDIT: corrected label on Out B jack]


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Problem: I had D (from board A) connected to B instead of A (On board B) - so quadrature didn't work. Everything else worked OK.

So I changed the wiring, so it's correct. Now neither quadrature nor cycle will function.

I've checked end pulse out. And there is no output there.

My first thought is that there is something messing with IC3.3? or in that area?

- Think I found the error - Had a TL074 instead of a TL064. using a LF444 now, and operation have improved. Though not 100% yet.

One strange thing is that if i put it in cycle - and change the rate to faster it looses the end out pulse. Could be the LF444 though..
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

zthee wrote:
One strange thing is that if i put it in cycle - and change the rate to faster it looses the end out pulse


I've plugged Pulse OUT into a step sequencer.

And I guess this is true for all modes. (less in AR mode)

It depends on your DECAY setting ; mean it's too high for that giving clock rate.
Note that as you increase ATTACK parameter, PULSE OUT "rate" slow down...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh, what I ment was that it stops cycling if i change the rate of any knob... I.e. if i change the rate while it cycles it looses the end out pulse and then stops cycling. But I think it's a problem with the LF444...? Not sure though. But until I've tried a TL064 I won't debug it any further.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Topp,

Just starting to solder my board and I notice you provide pads for 2 configurations of trimmer - very convenient. But this made me wonder if this should be a multiturn - I always assumed it was a single turn but will a multi-turn be useful for this circuit?

Also, sorry if this was asked already, but I can't find D10 on the board or on the schematic - is this the diode to use for the pot for the external input to the Peak circuit?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If anyone has any info about D10 as well as whether they used a single-turn or a multi-turn trimmer for their boards it would be greatly appreciated.

By the way here's the FPD file for a dual unit 2U MOTM-style panel I made. Really wanted to fit 4 boards behind 1 panel but it was just too much to squeeze in, so 4 boards behind 2 panels for me it is.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey don't worry about D10 i suppose it is the one you'd use for the external input, the trimmer just a single turn is just fine

@zthee, any luck?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah! It all worked out in the end. It turned out to be something with the power supply.

It's very strange though - if I use my expensive bench PSU it refuses to cycle. Using my normal PSU (the one I use to drive the rest of the modular system) it functions perfectly! Very strange... They both leave ±15V and 1A.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hello!

could anyone be so kind to pm me a picture of the soldierside of the board?
i ordered and paid for a pair, but they never showed up (and Topp isn't answering me). So i'd like to etch my own.

thank you!

robert
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Quote:
hello!

could anyone be so kind to pm me a picture of the soldierside of the board?
i ordered and paid for a pair, but they never showed up (and Topp isn't answering me). So i'd like to etch my own.

thank you!

robert


drapdap-

hi, you messaged me while I was asleep this morning, I'm sorry but I am not at my computer 24-7. I mailed your boards out as I said, weeks ago, everyone else who's were mailed out then have received them as far as I know. I'm very sorry that yours never arrived. It seems that we had this very same problem before if I'm not mistaken, am I?

anyway, in lieu of the circumstances, I can send you some artwork for your own personal use- but please don't share it publicly or use it commercially. I know that goes without saying usually, but I want to restate it here.

in the future, if you message me, please allow at least a day or two for me to respond.

let's continue this conversation in PM, thanks.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Any news on the next run Josh?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'd be in for another round!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

topp wrote:


in the future, if you message me, please allow at least a day or two for me to respond.

let's continue this conversation in PM, thanks.

josh


Thanks Topp!

i totally apologise for trolling, it was a bad moment.

robert
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

topp wrote:
hey don't worry about D10 i suppose it is the one you'd use for the external input, the trimmer just a single turn is just fine


Thanks Josh!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

are these boards going to be available again? i would be in for four of them.


thanks,
Ryan
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