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VCO8
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 Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:53 am Post subject:
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Hello,
Just let you know Wave Line Sound released a sound bank for Andromeda.
You can get free patchs and audio demo at the following address :
http://www.wavelinesound.com/eweapons.html
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pinealapoptosis
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject:
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Hmm,I just cannot see paying money for presets.Especially on a synth of this caliber.Why spend $3,000 on a instrument and then allow someone else to create the sounds for me.
This is on par with someone buying the andromeda and only ever using the factory presets and not ever creating their own patches.
There are loads of free patches and user banks available for free that have a,IMO,better patches.The sample demo I heard doesn't seem to be much of a stretch from the factory banks.
Good luck getting andromeda owners to shell out €24.90 for some pretty tame and easily reproduced presets.Not saying I can reproduce them all but I am sure a seasoned andromeda owner would have no trouble.
This is to no offense to the OP.These comments are directed towards the creators of this "Electronic Weapon" and not you.Thank you for posting this.
On a side note,it is nice to see something made specifically for the andromeda available commercially.Things like this may eventually lead to an OS update.
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soundwave106
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject:
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Actually, I don't mind the existence of commercial banks of presets (provided the quality is good -- I haven't checked this yet). People who are actually busy composing music for a living often do not have as much time to do the deep programming that allows you to get the most out of the Andromeda. Scouring the free patches off the Internet (many of which are excellent) also takes time.
The presets that come with the Andromeda are in many ways a bit "showy" (I don't find them *all* bad, but the entire bank of sequenced sounds was a bit much), so having more presets out there for the non-programmers can only help. |
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sunny pedaal
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:37 am Post subject:
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if only everybody would be more keen to SHARE his or her patches, the a6 would be an even more interesting instrument.
seems nowadays that people mostly are concerned in getting, not giving.
sorry to say. |
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purpurkatten
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject:
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| soundwave106 wrote: | Actually, I don't mind the existence of commercial banks of presets (provided the quality is good -- I haven't checked this yet). People who are actually busy composing music ... often do not have as much time to do the deep programming that allows you to get the most out of the Andromeda. Scouring the free patches off the Internet (many of which are excellent) also takes time.
... so having more presets out there for the non-programmers can only help. |
I agree totally to the above. I´d gladly pay for good preset libraries for the A6.
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pinealapoptosis
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:31 am Post subject:
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| soundwave106 wrote: | Actually, I don't mind the existence of commercial banks of presets (provided the quality is good -- I haven't checked this yet). People who are actually busy composing music for a living often do not have as much time to do the deep programming that allows you to get the most out of the Andromeda. Scouring the free patches off the Internet (many of which are excellent) also takes time.
The presets that come with the Andromeda are in many ways a bit "showy" (I don't find them *all* bad, but the entire bank of sequenced sounds was a bit much), so having more presets out there for the non-programmers can only help. |
Good point.I never really took into account the other types of people who may own and use the andromeda.I guess I had it in my mind that every andromeda owner is a hardcore knob twisting synth head 
As I said before; This is also a good thing because it shows there is still a demand and lots of use for this instrument and OS updates and support would gladly be received.Maybe if more things like this pop up alesis will realize the andromeda is still in its prime and if they could improve quality control and update the OS,they could sell lots more units for years to come.
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purpurkatten
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:14 am Post subject:
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| apoptosis wrote: | | Maybe if more things like this pop up alesis will realize the andromeda is still in its prime and if they could improve quality control and update the OS,they could sell lots more units for years to come. |
One could always dream of it! 
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wildbill
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject:
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I have mixed feelings about commercial patches for the A6.
First of all, it's hard for me to imagine anyone getting an A6 and not wanting to, or being able to, program it themself to get what they're after.
It also doesn't do anything to build up a community of A6 users who enjoy the instrument and want to share the patches they've made.
That said, the A6 is a complex instrument, and I imagine there are some who like its sound, or want one for some other reason, and don't know how, or 'don't have the time'  to program sounds.
Still, the point of having such an instrument is to program it to obtain the results you're after, not settling for something made by someone else that gets 'close enough'.
Makes me feel a bit lucky I know how to get around the instrument myself. |
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purpurkatten
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:26 am Post subject:
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| wildbill wrote: | I have mixed feelings about commercial patches for the A6.
... the point of having such an instrument is to program it to obtain the results you're after, not settling for something made by someone else that gets 'close enough'.
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Sure, but I´m more of a musician than a programmer, and I like to have ready made patches as starting points and go from there.
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It also doesn't do anything to build up a community of A6 users who enjoy the instrument and want to share the patches they've made.
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I really don´t understand that argument. On the contrary, as said before in this discussion, the more attention, commercial or not, the A6 gets, the bigger the community. The more I know that there are preset libraries made, commercial or not, for a synth, the more I´m attracted to it, because then I know the synth still has some attention and a following and a community.
As sunny pedaal said before, there unfortunately aren´t too many patches shared anyway anywhere among A6 owners. The ones found in this community are several years old.
Do you feel threatened by commercial patches, and, if so, why? Are you afraid your best patches can´t compete with commercial ones? If so, why would you then want to deny me to buy commercial patches?
| wildbill wrote: | ... it's hard for me to imagine anyone getting an A6 and not wanting to, or being able to, program it themself to get what they're after ... That said, the A6 is a complex instrument, and I imagine there are some who like its sound, or want one for some other reason, and don't know how, or 'don't have the time' to program sounds. ...
Makes me feel a bit lucky I know how to get around the instrument myself. |
You seem be be truly blessed to both have the know how and time to really get around the synth. But why don´t you prove this by making your best patches available for download in this community? I´m very much looking forward to it!
All A6 programming pros, don´t hesitate put together your best patches and make them available! If you´d like to charge a reasonable fee for others to download them, that is fine by me! Just get them coming! The more patches and attention and community for the Andromeda, the better! 
The more the merrier! 
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pinealapoptosis
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:13 am Post subject:
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| purpurkatten wrote: |
All A6 programming pros, don´t hesitate put together your best patches and make them available! If you´d like to charge a reasonable fee for others to download them, that is fine by me! Just get them coming! The more patches and attention and community for the Andromeda, the better! |
It would not be "fine by me" if users from this community started charging money to share their patches.That is ridiculous and if this happened,myself and I am sure many others would tell the person to shove off and sell/share their patches somewhere else.
More commercial attention is a good thing,but ware members of an online community who share a common interest/ownership of an instrument.We share advice and information amongst other members of the same community.There is no place for someone trying to sell their patches here.
I can understand both sides of the argument here.I can understand why someone would want to buy preset banks for a synthesizer,however, I would not do this.I chose this particular synthesizer because I wanted something I could waste hours programming.I wanted a synth with endless modulation possibilities.So buying a bank of presets someone else made would be pointless to me and only hinder my learning process.
I still do not understand why someone who didnt intend to do heavy programing and didnt intend to delve deeply into subtractive synthesis would choose the andromeda.There are other synthesizers out there that seem more feasible for the type of people who want someone else to design their sounds.
IMO, buying banks of presets for the andromeda because you are a "musician not programmer" is the equivalent of owning a huge moog modular and paying someone to come in and create patches for you.Its like owning and playing a guitar but not knowing how to restring and tune it.
Now remember,I am not saying this is wrong,its just not for me.
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Do you feel threatened by commercial patches, and, if so, why? Are you afraid your best patches can´t compete with commercial ones? If so, why would you then want to deny me to buy commercial patches? |
Why would wildbill feel threatened by commercial patches.Why would he have a reason to feel his patches are inadequate compared to commercial patches.Just because he doesnt agree with them doesnt mean he is "denying" you from the commercially available patches.Your comments seemed a bit childish and hostile in this particular paragraph I've quoted.
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purpurkatten
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:59 am Post subject:
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Apoptosis, you talk of this community as if it actually was much alive and there were a lot of sharing going on. But there is not.
So why don´t you - or other people - share your patches then? This community has not produced any presets in years.
I think there may be a reason for it: There is no free lunch. Most people just won´t do qualitystuff for free.
So why not encourage people to make their patches available and let people come here and tell that they have made quality patches that are for sale?
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It would not be "fine by me" if users from this community started charging money to share their patches.
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Who are you to say that members of this community are not allowed to make their patches available and sell them on the Internet?
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... if this happened,myself and I am sure many others would tell the person to shove off and sell/share their patches somewhere else.
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Who exactly are you to shove someone else off this community?
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I chose this particular synthesizer because I wanted something I could waste hours programming.
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I still do not understand why someone who didnt intend to do heavy programing and didnt intend to delve deeply into subtractive synthesis would choose the andromeda.There are other synthesizers out there that seem more feasible for the type of people who want someone else to design their sounds.
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You tell me that if I´m not prepared to waste hours programming the A6, the A6 is not for me and I should go find some other synth.
And because YOU can´t understand that are other A6-users who are not interested/don´t have time for programming patches on the A6 from scratch, you are denying me and other people who are not programmers to get knowledge of new patches on this forum.
Excuse me, but IMHO this is at the same time both snobbish and egoistic.
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Now remember, I am not saying this is wrong, its just not for me.
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On the contrary, YES you are saying that not spending endless hours programming the A6, instead of making music with it, is wrong. And NO you don´t say this is just your own point of view.
If what you say was just an opinion of yours, and not something that was intended to bind everyone else, you wouldn´t be prepared to shove off people from this forum who think differently.
Look, I love this synth. To make music with it.
You (probably) love this synth. To program it.
So, why don´t you, like a good member of a community, program and share some patches that I can use to make music?
If not, please don´t tell me and others to go find some other synth or, if people tell this forum that they have patches for sale, try to shove them off. It´s just not in your place to do that.
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sunny pedaal
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:49 am Post subject:
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best option:
everybody starts putting his/her patches for sharing on this site. ( no matter how "professional they are or not )
second best : only everybody who likes it and feels it feels good, shares his patches on this site ( kind of altruisme, although it might tired you after some time )
third option:
everybody except a few , preferres to get free patches, but is afraid ( or simply selfish ) to share .
there have been some efforts for the first 2 options , sofar with little result only. therefore it's oke for me if Anything happenes on this site that make the a6 more "alive". i myself program a lot although i always enjoy hearing what others can do . also i loved the "run" patch recently shared.
however i hate waiting and begging for others to share. by example still waiting for the incredible good hammond patch somebody claimed to have made , as well as other claimed patchwork regarding roland sound, promises that somebody made to collect the patches and make one bank of it, etc etc. therefore somebody making new banks with his own sounds and asking some money for it , wouldn't offend me. although and that is clear by now, i'd rather see people sitting less afraid on their "intellectual property" .
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blue hell
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Sorry for the interruption ...
I see some "heated" debating here and I have a couple of observations made over the past decade that may be of interest for the topic at hand.
For the first generation Nord Modular patch sharing has been working very well, in about 5 years it produced more than 25,000 patches that are free to be used ( http://nm-archives.electro-music.com/ ), for the 2nd generation (G2) that count was lower, just under 4000 patches were posted on this forum ( http://electro-music.com/g2patches.php ). For other synths patch sharing on this forum never really took off for some reason ( http://electro-music.com/forum/forum-38.html - although there are more patches around than were posted at that place) .
I'm not sure if that means that the times have changed. For the NM Classic the community was gathered on an email list, for the G2 it was gathered on the electro-music forum, and maybe an email list just works better. Still 4000 in 6 years is almost two patches a day? Not bad :¬)
Anyway, I believe that patch sharing needs some things for it to work - people should post patches and people should use those patches and they should comment on those patches maybe by posting modified versions. Also patch sharing will not work when only a couple of people share and all the rest just uses the patches.
The following are my current opinions on the subject of selling patches ... and I could certainly be convinced to change these opinions.
I see no objection as to why people should not try to sell patches, as long as those are patches they made themselves ... in the Nord Modular community there have been a couple of occasions on which people tried to sell patches made by others, such never took off as the community would fall over such attempts trying to contact the seller and trying to bring that person to reason again.
So provided that people sell their legally owned patches I think they could sell them and I think they can advertize for it on this forum. The correct place to do so would not be this A6 forum though, but I would move such advertizements somewhere into this forum.
When the people of the A6 community here would choose to link to such (commercial) patches that would be OK I think.
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purpurkatten
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:34 am Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | I see no objection as to why people should not try to sell patches
... provided that people sell their legally owned patches I think they could sell them and I think they can advertize for it on this forum. The correct place to do so would not be this A6 forum though, but I would move such advertizements somewhere into this forum.
When the people of the A6 community here would choose to link to such (commercial) patches that would be OK I think. |
Thanks site admin for the clarification!
So all you programming pros, keep your good patches coming, for free or for fee!
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pinealapoptosis
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:13 am Post subject:
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Arguing over it doesn't help...We can both agree that more patches being put out there is a good thing.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:01 am Post subject:
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| apoptosis wrote: | We can both agree that more patches being put out there is a good thing.
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I agree!
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zebastian21
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:06 am Post subject:
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I bought the Andromeda knowing it has a sound that my other VA or Sofsynths can not give me, however, Im not a programmer or sound designer and I dont have time for it yet.
So yes, some people might have the A6 for its sound and like to tweak patches rather than making them from scratch...to me good quality soundsets are equally important as sample libraries, the more to choose from the better
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hogberto
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:47 am Post subject:
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| zebastian21 wrote: | I bought the Andromeda knowing it has a sound that my other VA or Sofsynths can not give me, however, Im not a programmer or sounds and I dont have time for it yet.
So yes, some people might have the A6 for its sound and like to tweak patches rather than making them from scratch...to me good quality soundsets are equally important as sample libraries, the more to choose from the better |
+1
it's commonplace for people to buy commercial soundbanks for software synths - just take a look over at KVR.
if i'm prepared to buy a soundbank for a $100 softsynth (as i have done) then i am most certainly interested in buying one for my Andy.
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