Inventing a future crime: Precogs are watching you!

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:29 pm Post subject:

True

cute strong leader ( he often puts on a uniform when he makes public apperances ) : I give you what you asked for: The extinction of your enemies by global termonuclear war
cute little female voter: He is so cute. He gives what I want. He told me so.

elektro80 · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject:

Journalist: How do you know who we should bomb?
the strong leader ( who often dresses in a uniform etc etc ): They don´t live here do they?
Journalist: Awww... right..

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

seraph · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject:

on the links page go to Resources>News and you'll see 3 new links Very Happy

play · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:36 pm Post subject:

nice blog.

and for some interesting and relatively unbiased journalism check out
http://www.alternet.org

I like their style. They tend to steer clear of alarmism and conjecture and I find they often address issues which are very relevant and important but less exciting than those stories covered by libertythink et al. Although I will always have a soft spot for radical journalism. I think it serves a positive purpose by getting people to question mainstream media.

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

Regarding the Patriot Act 2, check out Section 313

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/patriot2-hi.pdf

"SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures – has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network."

Interesting indeed.

play · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:44 am Post subject:

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:55 am Post subject:

So... section 313 allows for corporate precogs? I imagine this is the start of a new diretion on big business. Willl the state pay for expenses when businesses do this kind of spying? Will it then be profitable to develop current customer tracking/customer support schemes in order to sell intelligence to the state?

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

Not exactly. What it allows for is the collection of data from companies by the government, allowing for "all encompassing" datasets, be they employees or whatever. Presumably, this could mean activity logs from people's ISPs could be used to determine if a person is engaging in threatening activities online, like visiting subversive websites. Checking out subversive literiture at libraries. Renting subversive videos and DVDs. Dont forget, the original Patriot Act already allows for sneak-and-peak searches, under suspicion of engaging in any activity that "endangers life" and breaks federal law. This is a complete violation of the 4th (Illegal search and seizure) and 5th (self-incrimination) amendments in the Bill of Rights.

In addition to this, posse comitatus is virtually gone now, so it is presumable that the US military could be the law enforcers engaging in this activity.

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:02 am Post subject:

Hmm... so we would have to change the maps now.. from USA.. into Arbeitslager Amerika ?

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:08 am Post subject:

Amusing thought... instead of bringing democracy to Cuba, the current junta makes the USA rather more like Cuba? Excellent! A few more laws of this kind and you will have a haven for russians missing the good old days of the omnipotent Party. A demon plan! Hey... this might even bring peace to Korea at last: Move the nation of North Korea to Nebraska! Hmm.. and send all lesbians and subversive elements to area previosly known as North Korea? And .. is Pol Pot really dead?

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

As soon as is practical, America will be used as the predatory "bad cop" to go in and decimate smaller nations and destroy their infrastructure (assuming they have one) so that when they withdraw to prepare for the next hit, the wonderful "good cop" UN can roll in and save the day, and the IMF and the World Bank can do to them what Visa and Mastercard and the like have done to the American people.

It's only a matter of time before we start "developing" pretexts for the usurpation of power from the nations on our hit list, nations like Afghanistan and Iraq and Syr...

Oh, wait. What year is this? Doh!

Time is short.

play · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 12:09 pm Post subject:

Cyxeris · Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY

Or a pistol and a copy of the Constitution (not that it seems to be of much use to the individual anymore). Kerry, anti-Bush anti-oppression Kerry, incidentally, voted for the Patriot Act. Does anyone really expect him to work to have legislation he approved repealed?

My advise to everyone is to, at the very least, become intimately familiar with the Constitution, and what it's dictates mean, especially the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and as a people, the 10th amendments. Know and understand what they are rescinding here.

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:45 pm Post subject:

Stay away from explosives.. please..