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crashlander42
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andrewF
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fonik
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:20 am Post subject:
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the ELRAD vocoder.
BTW do really want to do that to yourself? a vocoder seems to be very odd to build. a lot of duplicate circuitry.
on the other hand all this community is about DIY _________________
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matthias
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crashlander42
Joined: Oct 21, 2006 Posts: 292 Location: Orlando, FL (US)
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6079smith
Joined: Jan 18, 2007 Posts: 95 Location: Mark of the Dane
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:
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The Paia vocoder is fairly straightforward and sounds pretty good. Less of a headache than some of those other projects. |
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StephenGiles
Joined: Apr 17, 2006 Posts: 507 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject:
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Does anyone have the schematics of the PAIA Vocoder? |
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elektro80
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject:
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Nope, but the basic kit is very cheap. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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toppobrillo
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject:
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i have recently acquired schematics of the paia vocoder super simple [maybe too simple according to the 'mods' around the net]
i can furnish them to those who need 'em, but not post them to public cuz im unsure how they and mr. anderton'd like it..
i get the impression somehow that he's not too fond of his schematics traded freely round the net- but perhaps its all in my imagination??? i mean the 'hot tubes' and the 'centerstage spring reverb' are easy enough to find
oh but i think those were originally published in magazines anyhow |
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CJ Miller
Joined: Jan 07, 2007 Posts: 368 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:03 am Post subject:
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crashlander42 wrote: | Quote: | BTW do really want to do that to yourself? a vocoder seems to be very odd to build. a lot of duplicate circuitry.
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I have to agree. After checking a few of those out I think I'm perfectly happy with my VST vocoders. |
Yes, there is a lot of duplicate circuitry, but this also means that once can readily make PCBs for the multiple analysis filters and VCAs. My vocoder project is definately going to wait until I have a decent-sized modular together.
One huge shortcoming of VST vocoders is that the channels are always pre-patched. A lot of the fun for me is cross-patching the channels. Also, if one wanted to make a lot of channels there are much more precise components out there these days which make vocoders which would have never been possible 25 years ago. Looks like designing a good one from scratch isn't trivial though. Still, with some effort the smaller, normalized vocoders out there can probably be patched out.
Can't think about this now, past my bedtime! |
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synth_ollie
Joined: Sep 11, 2006 Posts: 149 Location: sweden
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject:
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if you must have a vocoder module in your modular and its not a problem that its not diy or digital, get a s/h alesis metavox vocoder, the sound is ok (much better than the paia vocoder) and you can find it pretty cheap today, remove the pcb, its small enough to fit in a modularsynth module.... |
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Thomas Henry
Joined: Mar 25, 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Southern Minnesota
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject:
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topp wrote: |
i get the impression somehow that he's not too fond of his schematics traded freely round the net- but perhaps its all in my imagination??? |
That's a pretty accurate impression. Here's the rule of thumb I've always thought was useful: only post those things you yourself have designed. Let's let Craig decide if he wants to post his circuits without remuneration.
At the minimum, it never hurts to ask for permission. As our own Scott Stites from the land of Brownbackian illuminati and enlightened School Boards will confirm, I've almost never turned down a request for reprint rights myself. But the sad thing is, almost no one has ever bothered to ask.
As I told the guy from Australia who put out a kit of one of my circuits without permission, be bold: design your own circuit and you'll feel more manly!
And hey, it's great to be here! I'm delighted to see how well the SN Voice thing worked out for everyone.
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andrewF
Joined: Dec 29, 2006 Posts: 1176 Location: australia
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject:
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Thomas Henry wrote: |
And hey, it's great to be here! I'm delighted to see how well the SN Voice thing worked out for everyone.
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Hi Thomas
ThankYOU for sharing the SN-voice design -
(and Scott for his input....and Bill for the PCB)
i have built some of your SN76477 ccts from Polyphony but this latest was
something quite different, the ultimate SN design?? or are you brewing up more ideas?
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fonik
Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 3950 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:35 am Post subject:
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Thomas Henry wrote: | And hey, it's great to be here! I'm delighted to see how well the SN Voice thing worked out for everyone.
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it's great to have YOU here, to have you with us. welcome thomas.
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matthias
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elektro80
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:35 am Post subject:
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Thomas Henry wrote: | And hey, it's great to be here! |
_________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject:
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Thomas Henry wrote: |
Thomas Henry |
WHOA!!!
(and it don't get better than that! )
A BIG to electro-music Thomas _________________ ACHTUNG!
ALLES TURISTEN UND NONTEKNISCHEN LOOKENPEEPERS!
DAS KOMPUTERMASCHINE IST NICHT FÜR DER GEFINGERPOKEN UND MITTENGRABEN! ODERWISE IST EASY TO SCHNAPPEN DER SPRINGENWERK, BLOWENFUSEN UND POPPENCORKEN MIT SPITZENSPARKSEN.
IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
ZO RELAXEN UND WATSCHEN DER BLINKENLICHTEN. |
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Scott Stites
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject:
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Thomas,
I never told you this, and it's the God's honest truth: Sam Brownback graduated from Parker High School in Parker, KS (it's an even smaller town in Eastern Kansas, Linn County - he'll never admit it, I think he lists 'Garnett' which is the closest town of any size). That's the same high school my father and mother graduated from. My uncle (my father's brother) was his classmate (and we're talking classes here that couldn't have been more than 20 to 30 students, tops). My father was a couple of years older. My father's gone, but I can still ask my uncles if there are any favorite head-in-the-toilet stories. So, yeah, that's true, I'm a bit Brownbackian in my origins, but it pretty much stops there.....
Now, the whole BOE thing - they're entertaining the notion of perhaps allowing just a smidgen of science to infiltrate the normal fairly tale curriculum. Just maybe, if Barbara Eden comes clean with how she really made stuff appear.....
Nice to see you drop by electro-music!
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goodrevdoc
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject:
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Wow! Thomas Henry is here!!! Thanks for all of your circuits and wisdom sir. Now, as not to completely hijack this thread, I plan on trying the okita vocoder once my plate is clean. The pdf is Japanese, but I have a very good friend working on masters in Japanese, and may try and persuade them to translate for me, and possibly others interested. Although, maybe I should take some good advice and design my own!!!
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crashlander42
Joined: Oct 21, 2006 Posts: 292 Location: Orlando, FL (US)
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject:
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And out of nowhere the legendary Thomas Henry appears in the thread I started. Good fortune smiles upon me. Big fan of your circuits.
I'll probably eventually get the Paia Vocoder kit. I like ordering kits from Paia since they're so well documented and easy. I'm just on a tight budget and can't afford them right now. I too have a friend who's taking Japanese, but he's way too lazy to ever translate that PDF for me. Let me know if you ever get a translation. I'd be interested in seeing it.
I actually have a vocoder on my MS2000. I've just never been that happy with it. Plus I like to be able to say I built it. _________________ When they plug me in the lights go down in Hong Kong.
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mosc
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:44 am Post subject:
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Thomas Henry wrote: | And hey, it's great to be here! I'm delighted to see how well the SN Voice thing worked out for everyone. |
Indeed great to have you here.
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As I told the guy from Australia who put out a kit of one of my circuits without permission, be bold: design your own circuit and you'll feel more manly! |
That's funny. Reminds me of something that Charles Ives said once. He funded many contemporary music concerts around the world, but kept it secret. Anyway, once he was at a concert and someone was making mocking comments about the music. He is reported to have said, "Shut up and open your ears. Listen like a man." _________________ --Howard
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goodrevdoc
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject:
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So I just finished the voicing board for the Okita vocoder. 1168 holes etched, drilled, and stuuffed. Took me awhile to get a parts list together, as this year Japanese ->English translation is at a premium where I live. Google translator works wonders though, you'd be surprised what you can get by entering in things like: "tantalum capacitor" and " electrolytic". One question though: This design uses compandor chips(5) acting as VCA's to mix the program and carrier signals. Also one chip for companding. The parts list calls for NE570's, but all I have are SA571's. The pinouts are the same, as are the general specs. The datasheets are actually quite similar. I'm not especially worried about the companding chip, as I've swapped these in the past with no discernable difference. But I really don't have much experience with usung the chips as VCA's. I'm gonna try it anyway, but I just wondered in advance if anyone had thoughts, comments, suggestions, etc.
-justin
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toppobrillo
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject:
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you breadboarded it first, right??
loooks swell! |
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a.b.o.z.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:06 am Post subject:
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woooow justin thats great work. post samples ASAP!!
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crashlander42
Joined: Oct 21, 2006 Posts: 292 Location: Orlando, FL (US)
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject:
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woooo...
I want one.
Have you considered cobbling together some English notes for us non-Japanese speakers? Can you point me towards a PDF of that PCB?
Will that PCB fit in my etching tub?
Let me know how it sounds. I'm definitely interested in building one. _________________ When they plug me in the lights go down in Hong Kong.
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crashlander42
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