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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:03 am    Post subject: Audio clipping/ distortion removal software?
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I've got a rather lengthy track that has a bit of clipping on it (digital I'm afraid). Does anyone know of any good software that can take the clipping out (or at least help to remove it). I used to use Steinberg's noise and click removal VST plug in, and this was excellent for cleaning up stuff, but that was 10 years back. Can anyone recommend anything else?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You may want to have a look at SeeDeClip by CuteStudio Ltd.. I've not tried it, but it was recommended by several people who ought to know. Cheap as chips too.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I edit clicks & clipping out manually mostly, cool edit does have some tools for it but I find it easier and faster to just redraw the wave forms manually ... as long as it's only a couple of spots of course.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
I edit clicks & clipping out manually mostly


it is a risky business, you can easily destroy a waveform.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

seraph wrote:
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I edit clicks & clipping out manually mostly


it is a risky business, you can easily destroy a waveform.


Yes that's the point, to get the click or the distortion out Cool

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
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I edit clicks & clipping out manually mostly


it is a risky business, you can easily destroy a waveform.


Yes that's the point, to get the click or the distortion out Cool


yes but the risk is "throwing the baby out with the bath water" and I am sure you know what I mean Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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yes but the risk is "throwing the baby out with the bath water" and I am sure you know what I mean Wink


The risk is not that big, as you're editing small parts only. Just getting the sharp edges out will do, even when you silence the whole thing for a couple of samples you'll not hear it, provided the edges are smooth.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
The risk is not that big, as you're editing small parts only. Just getting the sharp edges out will do, even when you silence the whole thing for a couple of samples you'll not hear it, provided the edges are smooth.


This is quite right. Manually editing the shit out is probably the best way.

I suggest making a duplicate track and work on that.. and then try crossfades around the problem sections. And if this doesn´t quite work then layering other shit in just in order to mask doctored spots might work.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What applications do you use for this kind of manual editing (Mac or Windows)?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

DrJustice wrote:
You may want to have a look at SeeDeClip by CuteStudio Ltd.. I've not tried it, but it was recommended by several people who ought to know. Cheap as chips too.


Hey thanks DJ- it looks just the ticket, and a bargain too Very Happy

(and I can tell you guys who recommend doing things manually don't have kids!! Shame on you! Laughing Laughing Laughing )

(fwiw, the clipping was not my fault. The Exchange mastering studio were to blame for initially fucking up the levels. Twisted Evil Exclamation )
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Antimon wrote:
What applications do you use for this kind of manual editing (Mac or Windows)?

/Stefan


Peak ( Mac ) is quite good! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Cooledit, on windows, but audicity could do it too (although I can't quickly find a way to make my fav. envelope dip thingy there, but a fade-in fade-out is present and it does sample editing, those will do the trick).

Basically anything that will do sample editing, having some sort of a macro tool is pleasant, I mean something that will allow you make a custom fade curve). Sometimes it's useful to run a filter an a couple of samples, but I don't use that very often.

What Stein mentioned, masking, is useful as well, so cut copy paste is handy. For instance cut a bit of the left channel to repair the right, or borrow a couple of milli seconds here to past it there, you'll need to apply some envelope curves as well.

Oh and when it has cue marks .. I mean I just hit F8 in cooledit to set marks at spots where something is wrong while listening through the track once or twice. Audacity does not seem to do that, but I have an oldish version here.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Correcting a few pops and cliks manually is probably just fine. But a track that has been consistently clipped as a result of a too high level and has lost lots of information and dynamic range requires stronger medicine. This is where the fancy specialist software comes in, attempting to recover the full waveform and dynamic range of the material, not just softening the edges.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

DrJustice wrote:
[...]a track that has been consistently clipped as a result of a too high level and has lost lots of information and dynamic range requires stronger medicine.


True of course.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This recently got a pretty good review in SOS:

http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/rx/


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key features

a complete standalone application designed for audio restoration

suppress broadband and tonal noise without the harsh artifacts of other solutions

remove intermittent noises, corrupted intervals and gaps with Spectral Repair re-synthesis

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see more detail with innovative metering and the most advanced spectrogram display available

select by time and frequency to isolate and repair noise with surgical precision

save time by processing multiple settings in parallel, and revert to earlier settings with an undo history view

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The only problem though with the Isotope stuff is that it tends to come with a hefty price tag- and for one personal job, it isn't worth the outlay. The software that dj suggested only costs a tenner.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
DrJustice wrote:
[...]a track that has been consistently clipped as a result of a too high level and has lost lots of information and dynamic range requires stronger medicine.


True of course.


that's what I meant Exclamation

Antimon wrote:
What applications do you use for this kind of manual editing (Mac or Windows)?


you can do it with Logic8 (Mac only). I have never tried it because my tracks simply don't clip Cool but I remember something like that on older versions Rolling Eyes

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The declipping tools in Logic are, well, crap. They are better suited towards being creatively used to make new sounds- honestly!- Because I have done precisely that with them! Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In Soundforge you can do a search for events whose level is equal or greater than -.1db to find all your clippings, then you can highlight them and do a "smooth" tool on them which just carves the sharpness off the corners/spikes. You can also draw in new waves, but I must admit that I'd like it to zoom a bit closer for freehand wave drawing. It only goes down to 1:1 which I think means one sample per pixel. I'd prefer the option of 4 to 8 times more precision.
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The declipping tools in Logic are, well, crap.


That's why I suggested to do it manually Laughing

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Blue Hell wrote:
v-un-v wrote:
The declipping tools in Logic are, well, crap.


That's why I suggested to do it manually Laughing

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as far as I recall you can do it manually with Logic.

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Blue Hell wrote:
v-un-v wrote:
The declipping tools in Logic are, well, crap.


That's why I suggested to do it manually Laughing

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Like I said.... I can tell you don't have children Twisted Evil
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