Calling MIDIOX & MIDI Yoke experts... help!

jjj · Last edited by jjj on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:57 pm; edited 1 time in total

Dear MIDIOX & MIDI Yoke experts:

Being somewhat confused using MidiOX and MidiYoke I'm in need of your invaluable advice:
It says: "MIDI YOKE connects any MIDI App output to any other App input". That sounds so simple that I cannot work it out...
How exactly should I adjust MidiOX and MidiYoke, if I would like to use two or more Apps at the same time? I have got the following MIDI scenario:
MIDIOX and all other Apps, such as Live-Styler, Sonar, Cubase etc, have the following MIDI IN/OUT details:

Inputs:
SB-Audigy4 MIDI I/O
IN from MIDI YOKE: 1
IN from MIDI YOKE: 2
IN from MIDI YOKE: 3
IN from MIDI YOKE: 4
IN from MIDI YOKE: 5
IN from MIDI YOKE: 6
IN from MIDI YOKE: 7
IN from MIDI YOKE: 8

Outputs:
SB-Audigy4 MIDI IO
SB-Audigy4 SF2 Loader
Yamaha XG SoftSynth
Roland VSC
Out to MIDI YOKE: 1
Out to MIDI YOKE: 2
Out to MIDI YOKE: 3
Out to MIDI YOKE: 4
Out to MIDI YOKE: 5
Out to MIDI YOKE: 6
Out to MIDI YOKE: 7
Out to MIDI YOKE: 8

Question: How are the MIDIOX & MIDI Yoke adjustment for two MIDI Apps (A & B), running at the same time:
Adjustment in MIDIOX:
Adjustment in MIDI App A:
Adjustment in MIDI App B:

Question: How are the MIDIOX & MIDI Yoke adjustment for three MIDI Apps (A, B, C), running at the same time:
Adjustment in MIDIOX:
Adjustment in MIDI App A:
Adjustment in MIDI App B:
Adjustment in MIDI App C:

Knowing that, that would be of great help. Thanking you in advance!
Kind Regards, jjj the last condor from the Chilean Andes.

blue hell · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject:

Not sure what you want to accomplish, but the idea is that you connect a program that outputs midi to a midi-yoke output. Then you can connect all programs that need that MIDI output signal to the midi yoke input which has the same number as the output used before. You can connect multiple programs to an input and multiple programs to an output as well.

When you need a connection from a real MIDI input to a midi-yoke port, for example to be able to play two soft synths from one keyboard I think you need an extra MIDI program to make the connection from a real MIDI input to one of the midi-yoke ports. Maybe Mmidi-ox can do that for you, but I've never needed such a connection.

jjj · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject:

Thanking you for your reply. Now I have to again fiddle, trying to work out how to connect two or three Apps via MIDIOX and MIDI Yoke...
I don't know why I'm confused about it? It seems so simple. Crying or Very sad

I wrote all the details of my MIDI in and outputs and what I was seeing.
On the bottom I requested two concrete examples of how I should connect it for two and three setups.

blue hell · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject:

Sorry I did read what you wrote and did not understand it; to me you just seem to list what should be running and not how it should be connected.

Should program A send data to program B?

If so, just connect program A to the midi-yoke 1 device and program B to that same device, using it as an output for program A and as an input for program B.

For the three program example I've no idea what data should flow where so I can't tell you what to do.

jksuperstar · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject:

MIDIYoke allows more than one program to use a midi device as a source.

The only time you'd need MIDIOX, is if you either want to filter midi data, view it in the midi monitor, or use MIDIOX to connect MIDIYOKE to your hardware midi interface. MIDIYOKE can't talk directly to your midi device by itself.

jjj · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject:

I was thinking... you didn't read the bottom bit.
Thanks for that good advice.
I have got the "MIDIgrid" App, which simplifies the wiring
of a 120-button accordion bass via a Kbd. encoder matrix. It allows you to record chord notes into little, triggerable boxes.
For that I would need to MIDIYoke so, that I can drive two MIDI Apps at the same time.

jjj · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject:

jksuperstar · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject:

I think this is the flow you are looking for:

Keyboard -> MIDIgrid -> MIDIYOKE:1

"MIDIYOKE:1" -> MIDI App A
"MIDIYOKE:1" -> MIDI App B

I don't know about MIDIgrid. Whatever it is, the output of that attaches to MIDIYOKE:1.

Both MIDI App A and B both read the same port from MIDIYOKE.

I think this is the same thing that Blue Hell was trying to say.

I also still don't think you need MIDIOX, unless MIDIgrid needs it. MIDIYOKE itself has nothing you can adjust, you simply attach your source (MIDIgrid) to the same port name that all your MIDI apps want to look at (above I've used MIDIYOKE:1). You don't have to do anything else to route data between apps (that's why it's so easy!

jjj · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject:

Thx for that...

As you can see from my PC's detailed MIDI IN/OUT, my Synth Kbd doesn't appear in the MIDI IN/Out anywhere.
In MIDI appears only:
SB-Audigy4 MIDI I/O
IN from MIDI YOKE: 1
IN from MIDI YOKE: 2
IN from MIDI YOKE: 3
IN from MIDI YOKE: 4
IN from MIDI YOKE: 5
IN from MIDI YOKE: 6
IN from MIDI YOKE: 7
IN from MIDI YOKE: 8

and in MIDI OUT appears only:
SB-Audigy4 MIDI IO
SB-Audigy4 SF2 Loader
Yamaha XG SoftSynth
Roland VSC
Out to MIDI YOKE: 1
Out to MIDI YOKE: 2
Out to MIDI YOKE: 3
Out to MIDI YOKE: 4
Out to MIDI YOKE: 5
Out to MIDI YOKE: 6
Out to MIDI YOKE: 7
Out to MIDI YOKE: 8

All Apps show the same MIDI INputs/ OUTputs.
Thus, I have to go back and try, fiddle and crash until I get it right and then right it down for future reference.

blue hell · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject:

jksuperstar · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject:

You must have a nice faraday cage there, Jan. Smile

jjj - the name won't change to look like your synth keyboard. So you are correct, you just have to know that all apps need to be attached to the same port in MIDYOKE. If your apps can save that information, then you don't need to remember Wink

jjj · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject:

There was a time I was quite good at it... but then years went by and now I'm again at "0" knowledge or full confusion.
Now I gotten older and smarter: I immediately create my own brief instructions for every App I learned to manage. (1)... 2)... etc)
Also I created my own PC trouble shooter, located on a USB drive.
Now, things looking up (not need Viagra).

I just thought you good people got more practice in it, but you too seem unable to fill out my "questionnaire"albeit I delivered all Info... Smile

Besides... my name is Joh not Jan or... January. Here's summer time (...and life is so easy! Did you hear my performance of "Summer Samba"?)

Joh is for Johannes. To Eng speaking folk call me "Yohan", but for them it's much easier to call me "Yourhighness", but then again some nasty Poms/ Pimps went to far and call me "Youranus"; imagine that!
They seem to insist in seeing everything, for "seeing is believing", they say! I think I performed too long for Billy Connolly, the Scot comedian & actor; for he had that sort of humor.

jksuperstar · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject:

Jan == Blue Hell, so please don't take offense to that comment.

Direction of data is only in one direction with MIDI, so without knowing how data is moving in your system, there is no way to fill out your table. That is why I proposed a different method of representing your configuration. Simply saying two apps talk to each other, is not accurate enough. So, I call one of them the source...it generates data (this is your MIDIgrid, I think). This should be connected to your "Out to MIDIYOKE:1". All the other apps (logic for recording, etc) would be connected to "In from MIDIYOKE:1". In this way, the MIDI data from your "keyboard" then gets to all of your other applications.

jjj · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:40 am Post subject:

Sorry, I just realize Jan was for Blue Hell not Joh... because I always had a problem with people misquoting my name. Nevertheless, we got a bit of fun out of it.
Lately, my innovative mind was again active and I came up with a new Kbd design, eliminating some of worst irregularities of the ordinary "zebra" piano Kbd layout (see attachment). The irregularities causing our fingers to run against the narrow, sticking out black keys, while our fingers try to match the distance from one into another scale. Key uniformity cuts down on boring scale playing practice!
Main Advantages:
i) all keys are equally sized
ii) all keys are equally leveled
ii) the keyboard is shorter
iii) the keyboard is narrower
iv) allowing several Kbds in parallel
v) all key have only 3mm travel

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blue hell · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject:

jjj · Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

No worries... you have done your best, what more I want. Thx again.
I took all good advice on board and now it's up to me to sort it out by trial & error. I still didn't have time for that, but I'll have to soon.

As mentioned, I plan to wire my 120-button accordion bass onto a separate Kbd encoder and then play it via norther Kbd. Will I need to buy a MIDI merger?
It's like connecting two Synth Kbds onto the same sound card... or how else to connect them?

Maybe I can loop the two Kbds like that (?):
MIDI Out from Kbd1 > to IN from Kbd2 > then MIDI OUT from Kbd2 to MIDI IN of soundcard. Or using MIDI Thru...?

blue hell · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject:

jjj · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject:

Thx for that Blue Hell...

No comments on/ to my "innovative zebra Kbd layout"?? Crying or Very sad

blue hell · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject:

jjj · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject:

I got that latest, tiny Ketron SD2 sound module... it really has got the best saxes. Check out the the samples. You won't believe its quality:

http://www.ketron.com/sounds.asp?mod=SD2