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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:19 am    Post subject: help w. cut off or highpass Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

High all

I am still quite new to the nord lead and filters too for that matter.
I was jamming w. a friend last night and using my NR2 as a drum machine.
It's sounds great but was wondering how to create a cutoff frequency <- to avoid 1. breaking his speakers 2. having useless lower sounds that we don't hear anyways.

i.e.:
Preset= perc mode
Bass Drum = done w. the filters "frequency" and "resonance" knobs.

-Now, since there are 8 different sounds going on, would the best solution be to hook up the output to an external cutoff filter hardware?

-Also, I've been reading in the user manual on the way to create a cutoff is w. the "velocity" knob turned on and you select the high pass filter <-or notch or BP. and you adjust accordingly.<- but how do you know the value of the cutoff frequency? <- I mean how do know that it is set for nothing can go under 20Hz. Let alone, how do you control that for 8 sounds simultaneously?<- Again, is the only answer an external filter which the nord's output runs through?

- Also, where could I read about filters in a nut shell<- I mean not all their science but rather how there are used practically in certain situation. I mean basically up to now, the only way I've been using the filter types select switch was;
LP:lets through lower sounds and as the led goes the higher, the higher sounds are passed trough. But I don't actually know what the notch and Bandpass stand for. Why wasn't it call midpass like his brother LP and sister HP <- why are we using different names?<- the reason must be logical?

Thanks a lot in advance.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In this case I should look at equalizer of the mixing desk, if you want to do it to all eight percussion sounds in one go.
You could us the HighPassFilter and the ModWheel (works in Percussion mode as always global) ste to Filter5, but I don't think you will hear a bass drum, only more the shacking ofa cardboard box filled with rice or something.

An equilizer is made to do the job. Filters like HP and BP are meant fort shaping the sound...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks a lot wout


how do you create a bass drum? would you also use the filters (frequency) and (resonance) faders. <or>>In this case I should look at equalizer of the mixing desk, if you want to do it to all eight percussion sounds in one go.

By mixing desk do you mean a mixer board?
would the eq on a mixer, say the onyx 1220. would that be good enough? Or would you use a Rack Eq? <- 4 band or x band.....?

As for the names like notch and BP<- what up with those? why not mid pass Surprised

Finally, due to $ , I have been obligated to use the worst method in the world for shaping my sound<- hearphones. Plus they're killing my hears. I know stupid but I can afford good speakers for now.
but the point of telling you this, is that I always managed to get something out of the nord (for perc sounds) that I like w. earphones and then everytime it ended up on loudspeakers w. friends or in a live situation, My massive sound , sounds very flat and like a wet fire cracker.... Very very weak.

I believe in the nord's potential as a massive drum machine (w. MaxMSP)
for my Live set up but I have not heard it yet when in loud speakers Sad
But I believe ! Smile

thanks a lot


ps wout:. did you get my pm about the eprom affecting sound diff Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

phiol wrote:
... By mixing desk do you mean a mixer board?
Yes!
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would the eq on a mixer, say the onyx 1220. would that be good enough? Or would you use a Rack Eq? <- 4 band or x band.....?
The Behringer should do the job, at least, protecting one's speakers... Cool
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As for the names like notch and BP<- what up with those? why not mid pass Surprised
To make it even worst: there is also something like all pass Very Happy So what's it filtering than? Shocked
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Finally, due to $ , I have been obligated to use the worst method in the world for shaping my sound<- hearphones. Plus they're killing my hears. I know stupid but I can afford good speakers for now.
No, I won't support you financial wise Wink
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but the point of telling you this, is that I always managed to get something out of the nord (for perc sounds) that I like w. earphones and then everytime it ended up on loudspeakers w. friends or in a live situation, My massive sound , sounds very flat and like a wet fire cracker.... Very very weak.
Good, no money then! Cool Two things. First, if you hear it on your head phones, it's there. Second: there is a difference hearing it on the phones than hearing it on speakers, due to the environment, kind of speakers and so on..., but also psychological!!!
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I believe in the nord's potential as a massive drum machine (w. MaxMSP) for my Live set up but I have not heard it yet when in loud speakers Sad
But I believe ! Smile
Don’t expect it to be the wonder machine! I’m not against Behringer, so I bought two medium size active speakers, which I use during gigs. That’s the situation I make the mix for. Beware the room you are working in, because a medium size dancing ‘club’ has a different sound than your bedroom Smile Anyway, about mixing and all, check the YouTube video's made by And Vax, also a member on this forum and a heavy NordRack2 user at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ouHe0OuBFw&feature=related
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ps wout:. did you get my pm about the eprom affecting sound diff Wink
Oops, I did, but forgot to read it [shame, internal shame…]
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi wout

do you the mean the behringer mixer or rack eq?

Thanks a lot for the youtube link very informative indeed. Endless thanks to Vax for the efforts.

So much to learn:
1st guitar /rock etc...
then jazz 15 years/ then classical baroque and modern composition studies/ then computer programming then / then visual 3D programming /then electronics and microcontrollers (arduinos)/then synthesis methods /then all generative methods and algorithmic composition/ then mixing methods..... it's all great fun isn't it !! But you do realize that they could represent 9 jobs for 9 different people. modern times make this more accessible for one person alone . .. neat!

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No, I won't support you financial wise


but I was good all year Wink

Finally, I've always heard nothing but bad mouthing about the berhinger?
Heard the guy in charge was a technology stealer. who knows..


thanks again wout.


phil

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Your Behringer mixer can do the job.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks

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