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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:30 am    Post subject: Nord Lead 2x
Subject description: Local off problem
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Hi everybody !!!

Last week I bought a Clavia Nord Lead 2x that I'm using in midi configuration with Ableton Live 7 in a intel based mac os 10.5 and everything looks to be ok. The only problem I have is that sometimes, when the Local function is set to "off", the front panel doesn't work. In fact, if I press any button, for example the one to change the oscillators' waveforms or any other, the light on it doesn't change position and if I handle any knob, it doesn't look like modulate the sound. Any advice ?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome Let,

That's Local Off for you!

Manual page 66 wrote:
• In Local Off mode, the front panel actions and your keyboard playing are transmitted via MIDI, but are not used to play the synthesizer directly.

MIDI Input, however, works normally.

This mode should be used when you’re working with sequencers, when the Nord Lead 2X is used both for recording and playing back MIDI, and when the sequencer has a MIDI Thru function (sometimes called “Merge” or “echo-back”).


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok, I really appreciated the help but I've read that part of the manual already and it was useful but not enough. I'll try to explain in a better way: using other words, what the manual says is that, when you are setting the local function to "off", the parameters don't change by receiving the messages directly from the synth's front panel but from the sequencer, in fact if I arm the track and start the sequencer, the front panel is working properly because the control change message is going from the front panel to the sequencer and then back again to the front panel, so I can see all the parameters changing; but if I disarm the track for a moment and I arm it again the front panel gives the problem I've talked about and to make it working again in the right way I have to stop the sequencer and start it again from the beginning and you know why? I guess because at the beginning of my song I created a short midi blank region that sends to the synth a performance change message through the global midi channel (ch16) resetting the performance and so making it working again. I'm quite sure it is a problem of Ableton Live midi regions that can send a bank/sub bank/preset change messages just one time at the beginning of them and not during their going on, but anyway I'll try with different sequencers where I know it is possible to do it like Logic. So, the only solution I found out is to keep the tracks, four in my case, one for each performance's slot, always record enabled during the playback of the song. Let me know what do you think about.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You also read [Manual Page 78 - at the top] about chasing?

Anyway, the synth will only react to Midi when set to local. The knob and buttons will be recorded in the sequencer though!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, I've read all the manual and it is possible that something like "chasing" is happening because when I disarm the track and I arm it again I am able to change just the parameters that I didn't touch before, so it is like if the sequencer, after the disarming, is memorizing by the "chasing" function the value of the parameters I've already touched and it doesn't let me changing them again. Anyway the important is that now I know about what effects this strange sequencer's behavior. To be sure about that, today I'll try with Logic to see what happens.

Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The trouble is the sequencer, for sure.
In ocal mode the synth sound engine doesn't react to the knobs and buttons anymore. It reacts to Midi only.
The kobs still send Midi Out to the sequencer.

In the sequencer there is an option to choose Midi CC through, or echo or whatever they call it. Now the sequencer sends the incoming Midi CC (knobs and buttons) back to the synth, even when Local Off is activated.
Sometimes the through is called Midi filter, which means the sequencer filters out the data, so you have to disable the filter to get a Midi through.

Is there anybody who told you Midi and sequencers is dead easy? Smile

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