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(Nord Rack 2x ) Got a "m" in my audio interface?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: (Nord Rack 2x ) Got a "m" in my audio interface?
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Hello

Bought a lovely red nord rack 2x the other week. Sounds fantastic...

However, I have only played it with midi keyboard and headphones connected to phones out. I now have tried to connect my audio interface (Motu Ultralite MK3 Hybrid) to the nord rack 2x, but have run into some problems.

Midi out to midi in
Midi in to midi out
A and B out from NR to analog in on soundcard.
Local set to off.

When I push the trig button I get a "m" sign in my sound card hardware screen. In addition, I do have a Virus C connected, and I hear this perfectly... Could it be m för mute?

Any ideas what this might be? I have tried to find the answer in the manual, but haven't succeed...


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't know your interface, but I assume it indicates it receives Midi...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
I don't know your interface, but I assume it indicates it receives Midi...


Paul just confirmed that on the chat .. he owns an ultralite.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
Wout Blommers wrote:
I don't know your interface, but I assume it indicates it receives Midi...


Paul just confirmed that on the chat .. he owns an ultralite.


Hey

Well I guess thats good;) However, I don't get a signal in i.e an indication that it actually plays any sound. Other external devices as Virus C and Kaossilator produce sounds and indicates that sounds are played in the hardware as well as in CueMix FX software.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Paul uses a NordLead too.
Can he shine some light on the fact there is no sound?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
Paul uses a NordLead too.


True that ... I'll try to get him here.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
Wout Blommers wrote:
Paul uses a NordLead too.


True that ... I'll try to get him here.


Hey Guys, thanks for all help:)

Gom some answers in another forum regarding the "M".
"The m stands for MIDI. In the top row, it indicates that a MIDI message was received. In the bottom row, it indicates that a MIDI message was transmitted."

Update: I tried to change Local to ON instead than OFF on NR2x and I now hear sound.
However, the manual recommends to use OFF when using a sequencer (as I do) I use both Sonar LE, and Ableton Live.

A bit confused here...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

EricDeluxe wrote:
Update: I tried to change Local to ON instead than OFF on NR2x and I now hear sound.
However, the manual recommends to use OFF when using a sequencer (as I do) I use both Sonar LE, and Ableton Live.

A bit confused here...


Makes sense ...

Local ON means the keyboard is connected to the synth engine locally, so that when you play you'll hear it. Local OFF detaches trhe keyboard so that it will send out MIDI only and will not make sound directly, the idea being that there will be software on the other side to echo the MIDI back to the synth, which then in turn will make the sound.

So when your software is set to echo back the MIDI it receives you'll want to have local off .. otherwise each not will sound twice. So it all depends on how you set up the software.

Hope that clears it up a bit.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sorry I was late posting. I was doing a radio show so I had to pay attention to that.

It sounds like the Ultralite wasn't the problem. Yes, the little m means midi, and you get two. You can use the mixer in the Ultralite to mix the signals, and get DSP effects too. I didn't understand the "sound card" reference.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

EdisonRex wrote:
Sorry I was late posting. I was doing a radio show so I had to pay attention to that.

It sounds like the Ultralite wasn't the problem. Yes, the little m means midi, and you get two. You can use the mixer in the Ultralite to mix the signals, and get DSP effects too. I didn't understand the "sound card" reference.


Hey, and thanks for the help.
Unfortunately i don't get the lower m. only the top for recieving. However, I guess I must set up Sonar and Live correctly for midi messages.

To late at night here now, so I come back on that;)
Thanks for now
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
EricDeluxe wrote:
Update: I tried to change Local to ON instead than OFF on NR2x and I now hear sound.
However, the manual recommends to use OFF when using a sequencer (as I do) I use both Sonar LE, and Ableton Live.

A bit confused here...


Makes sense ...

Local ON means the keyboard is connected to the synth engine locally, so that when you play you'll hear it. Local OFF detaches trhe keyboard so that it will send out MIDI only and will not make sound directly, the idea being that there will be software on the other side to echo the MIDI back to the synth, which then in turn will make the sound.

So when your software is set to echo back the MIDI it receives you'll want to have local off .. otherwise each not will sound twice. So it all depends on how you set up the software.

Hope that clears it up a bit.


Yes it does in a way. I understand that i need to set midi right in Sonar/Live. However, as the newbie I am, I would like some helt. I Guess I will post some screenshots for that later on, a bit late now, so perhaps tomorrow.

Thanks everyone for all help. Your the best!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: (Nord Rack 2x ) Got a "m" in my audio interface?
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EricDeluxe wrote:
... Midi out to midi in
Midi in to midi out
A and B out from NR to analog in on soundcard.
Local set to off. ...
Ah!
Indeed, I skipped the 'local off' line Embarassed

In that setting all knobs and buttons (Trigger is a button too) will send MidiOut, but NOT to the synth's sound engine, so no sound when playing the Trigger button...

I'm not sure what I'm writing now is completely right, because I never use the synth this way... Confused

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: (Nord Rack 2x ) Got a "m" in my audio interface?
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Wout Blommers wrote:
EricDeluxe wrote:
... Midi out to midi in
Midi in to midi out
A and B out from NR to analog in on soundcard.
Local set to off. ...
Ah!
Indeed, I skipped the 'local off' line Embarassed

In that setting all knobs and buttons (Trigger is a button too) will send MidiOut, but NOT to the synth's sound engine, so no sound when playing the Trigger button...

I'm not sure what I'm writing now is completely right, because I never use the synth this way... Confused

Wout


Just a short follow-up question. Isn't this how I should use the 2x with my sequencer program? As OFF I mean? How do you use it in another way? And why?

I want to controll tempo etc from Sonar/Live etc. I also have a Novation SLMK2 which is a great midikeyboard, that would work e.g. drums (drum pads available). I beleive that the knobs of the NR 2x work great most of the time, but anyway...

Please, forgive my lack of knowledge in this area...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: (Nord Rack 2x ) Got a "m" in my audio interface?
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EricDeluxe wrote:
Please, forgive my lack of knowledge in this area...
Well, to be frank... I'm not very asure of this myself...
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Just a short follow-up question. Isn't this how I should use the 2x with my sequencer program? As OFF I mean? How do you use it in another way? And why?
There is no official word about this, but I think, well, only very slightly and only a tiny bit... that the Rack is just the same software as the Lead, only missing the KeyBoard and the two controllers: Wheel and PitchStick. Lets face it! Why are there Slot buttons on the Rack at all? The Slot only reacts to it's Midi channel, where the Slots on the Lead reqact to the KeyBoard when a Slot is active...
The same is confusion is about the left-most-active-Slot's Midi. That is only true to the original NordRack(1), and not for the later ones, but it's still in the Manual.
Opening a Performance can indicate a Program from a location which is not available in the synyh itself...

Just keep in mind this synth is 15 years on the market and still for sale. That proofs something too Smile

If you want to learn more I can direct you to some text about this all...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: (Nord Rack 2x ) Got a "m" in my audio interface?
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If you want to learn more I can direct you to some text about this all...

Wout


Hey
Thanks for this, Off course I wanna learn more:)
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