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loss1234

Joined: Jul 24, 2007 Posts: 1536 Location: nyc
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Joined: Feb 02, 2010 Posts: 266 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:19 am Post subject:
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stolenfat wrote: | what are your guy's feelings towards running op-amp's out put through a schmidt trigger to square it up before slamming it into the 93'?
would that help? |
Isn't the 4093 a Schmidt trigger already? Could try running through one of the unused gates.
I think getting it nice and loud and clipped off is still the best bet. _________________ ∆ A.M.P. ESOTERIC ELECTRONICS ∆ |
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corex

Joined: Mar 02, 2010 Posts: 114 Location: Las Vegas
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loss1234 wrote: | just so other people can understand what you are doing, can you clarify what your samples are a recording of? am i correct in assuming you used the 4069's to first SQUARE Up the guitar signal, and then you took that HIGH GAIN signal and put it into one input of the 4093 oscillator? |
Sorry; I saw this several days ago and I keep meaning to draw it up but so far I haven't done that. Instead let me at least offer a description of the circuit.
What I've done is used two inverters of a 4069 (and some caps and resistors) to basically amplify the input signal. This circuit can be used to "square up" the incoming signal by clipping the shit out of it, but the goal is not so much to make the signal square but to get the peaks higher and lower than the 4093's Schmitt trigger thresholds. It should be triggering the gate at the fundamental frequency of the input signal, ideally.
The amplified input goes into one leg of the 4093 (the leg normally connected to logic 1/+V).
loss1234 wrote: | the sound you are getting sounds like you are SYNCING the oscillator to the guitar. |
I think that may be what's happening. When the input signal is 0, the output is always 1, but when the input is 1, the output oscillates. When the input rises, the NAND gate switches to output 0 and then the RC input of the gate is fed by the capacitor for a small amount of time creating more or less a saw or falling ramp shape until this input finally falls below the trigger threshold at which point the gate outputs 1 again which begins to charge that cap, which eventually causes that input to rise to 1, etc.
The gate can be set to oscillate faster or slower than the input signal and that changes the kind of sound it makes. The high part of the input signal outputs the oscillation of the gate while the low part of the input signal outputs logic 1. In the audio sample that I posted, around 0:26 I changed the speed of the oscillator from faster than the input to slower.
I will post a schematic eventually when I get it drawn up.
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electri-fire
Joined: Jul 26, 2006 Posts: 536 Location: Dordrecht NL
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:11 am Post subject:
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corex wrote: | It should be triggering the gate at the fundamental frequency of the input signal, ideally. |
I think then you best filter off the higher harmonics before squaring up the signal. |
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slacker
Joined: Nov 18, 2007 Posts: 301 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:23 am Post subject:
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Don't know if this is of any use, but I've done a couple of CMOS based guitar pedals and found a pretty good front end, that boosts, filters and then squares the guitar signal.
http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/forums.html?topic=55644.0
The first 3 opamp stages in the schematic in that link are what you want. The component values are not that critical any similar values will work fine. |
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stolenfat

Joined: Apr 17, 2008 Posts: 476 Location: Sunny Oakland California
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:44 am Post subject:
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i get a dead link  _________________ home made noise and electronic ill-logic |
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slacker
Joined: Nov 18, 2007 Posts: 301 Location: England
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corex

Joined: Mar 02, 2010 Posts: 114 Location: Las Vegas
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kdowqo
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